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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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So really, anyone can shoot the embezzling CEO, even if said CEO is fleeing, crying and wetting himself in the face of the Avenger's high powered semi-automatic weapon, maniacal grin, and raging erection.

one should bear in mind that the CEO can't steal from you as you gave it to him to begin with. the anticipation was that he would do something to make your money grow but if you read the fine print there is never a guarantee.
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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how can a CEO rob your life savings ?
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I think he means some sort of Enron like scandal or something...?
Yes.
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And our law clearly states that he may if he chooses defend the property of another left in trust and or in third party, the threat doesn't have to be to him at all.
I'm more interested in the morality of it than the law.
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We can also shoot, and kill if need be to stop a fleeing criminal.

But one thing we could do with is to make an ammendment to state it woud have to be a physical theft and fleeing; not say an electonic theft, to stop stupid ideas like this from being thrown around.
Why is it a stupid idea? Drgoodtrips said it rather well, so I won't bother repeating.
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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one should bear in mind that the CEO can't steal from you as you gave it to him to begin with. the anticipation was that he would do something to make your money grow but if you read the fine print there is never a guarantee.
Apparently, in Texas this is irrelevant, as anyone can come in with guns blazing, so long as the person is stealing from someone.
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one should bear in mind that the CEO can't steal from you as you gave it to him to begin with. the anticipation was that he would do something to make your money grow but if you read the fine print there is never a guarantee.
I used the CEO as an example... there are plenty of other forms of electronic theft.
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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So really, anyone can shoot the embezzling CEO, even if said CEO is fleeing, crying and wetting himself in the face of the Avenger's high powered semi-automatic weapon, maniacal grin, and raging erection. And, it's a bonus if the Avenger actually knew anyone who was being wronged by the CEO.
If it was a physical theft from you then absolutely, yes.

A CEO is no more exhempt from any of the weight of the law then anyone else.

And of course if it is not tresspassing onto anybody else's property without their consent for you to continue to chase after him.

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That seems purely to be a class distinction. Electronic theft is often the most significant theft of all, as you can point and click away millions while only bodily carrying a few hundred dollars worth of shit out of (most) people's homes. Still, that would allow you to whip out a knife and stab a child in the back for pocketing candy at the five and dime, so I guess all isn't lost.
No its not a class distinction. If he is doing it from within his own office he is protected in his own way in his property, you can't tresspass on someone else's property to chase someone, which is why, like with the Horn case, its usually done from his own property as he is protected by the Castle law, and even if he chased them out onto the street, that's public property that he lawfully has access to, not someone else's private property.
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I used the CEO as an example... there are plenty of other forms of electronic theft.


I understand. All the ones that come to mind play out the same. But perhaps I'm not thinking of one that you might be that does not.
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What if you meet the electronic criminal on the street?
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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If it was a physica theft from you then absolutely, yes.

A CEO is no more exhempt from any of the weight of the law then anyone else.

And of course if it is not tresspassing onto anybody else's property without their consent for you to continue to chase after him.



No its not a class distinction. If he is doing it from within his own office he is protected in his own way in his property, you can't tresspass on someone else's property to chase someone, which is why, like with the Horn case, its usually done from his own property as he is protected by the Castle law, and even if he chased them out onto the street, that's public property that he lawfully has access to, not someone else's private property.
Well, I'd assume this theft is occurring in the office building, which is property of the corporation and not the CEO. Thus, the CEO and the avenger likely have equal right to be there which means CEO's are now in season. Yeeeee-hawwwww!!!!
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Apparently, in Texas this is irrelevant, as anyone can come in with guns blazing, so long as the person is stealing from someone.



its very relevant as a corporation is not a "someone".
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I understand. All the ones that come to mind play out the same. But perhaps I'm not thinking of one that you might be that does not.
Say you lose your wallet and someone picks it up and starts spending with your credit card, and you find out who it is.
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its very relevant as a corporation is not a "someone".
Sure it is. This is the entire purpose of incorporating. It can own property, engage in contractual arrangements, and it shields employees from legal responsibility in non-criminal cases (generally). And, I don't think it would be much of a stretch to make a case that there is a real theft occurring vis a vis any and all shareholders.
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its very relevant as a corporation is not a "someone".
Someone who embezzles money from a corporation is a someone.
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Say you lose your wallet and someone picks it up and starts spending with your credit card, and you find out who it is.



then its a little too late to stop the burglery, and turns to vigilante reprisal.
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Someone who embezzles money from a corporation is a someone.

that "someone" is embezzling from a "something".
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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I used the CEO as an example... there are plenty of other forms of electronic theft.
True - what if someone "tresspasses" their way into my home computer from a remote location and steals my banking information...
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