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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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then its a little too late to stop the burglery, and turns to vigilante reprisal.
Which is the sticking point from the other thread - Texas law apparently encourages vigilantism. According to Traveler:

"And our law clearly states that he may if he chooses defend the property of another left in trust and or in third party, the threat doesn't have to be to him at all.

We can also shoot, and kill if need be to stop a fleeing criminal."

If this is accurate, then stopping the burglary is irrelevant. Taking the law into your own hands is an end in and of itself.
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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then its a little too late to stop the burglery, and turns to vigilante reprisal.
Oh? Each time they are spending your money, it is a new theft...
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True - what if someone "tresspasses" their way into my home computer from a remote location and steals my banking information...
Lock and load, motherfuckers!
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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Sure it is. This is the entire purpose of incorporating. It can own property, engage in contractual arrangements, and it shields employees from legal responsibility in non-criminal cases (generally). And, I don't think it would be much of a stretch to make a case that there is a real theft occurring vis a vis any and all shareholders.


I suppose if you somehow managed to catch someone, cash in hand, fleeing then perhaps you would be justified. Trouble is, its very seldom a case of someone actually carrying the cash or item(s) of value out on their person.
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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Oh? Each time they are spending your money, it is a new theft...

no, not unless they take it a bit at a time. point is, you're discovering it after the fact and are not in a position to thwart the crime, you only seek revenge.
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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Yes.
I'm more interested in the morality of it than the law.
Well i would have thought the same a while ago.

I dunno if you'll remember but in that thread i spoke about it being the aw and not whether i endorsed it or not, and as Doc said, its legal to marry your cousin but you don't do it do you? However i do support the law, and i think its morally justified.

I remember a lot of the folks in there taking a hollier than though "its not right" attitude but then a few weeks later in abortion threads it would suddenly become "well its lawfully killing the baby so its not murder". I was naive to believe there was an ounce of moral consious among some of the posters but i realised it was just a philosophical guilt trip for folks who couldn't handle our law. (Btw that's from anyone in this thread so far, none of you revert to those sort of tactics which is good. )
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no, not unless they take it a bit at a time. point is, you're discovering it after the fact and are not in a position to thwart the crime, you only seek revenge.
Why wouldn't they take it a bit at a time?

Remember, you lost your wallet, they just picked it up. What if you're at a gas station and you see someone tanking up and swiping your lost credit card?

Bang bang?
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True - what if someone "tresspasses" their way into my home computer from a remote location and steals my banking information...
The intellectual property is not yours i would assume.
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

FWIW, if Texas law allows it, I wouldn't whine about how it's actually murder. It is, ipso facto not murder, no matter how many times Horn relives the event while masturbating.
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Right, he lawfully killed them both.
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The intellectual property is not yours i would assume.
Till they start taking money out of your bank account...
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The intellectual property is not yours i would assume.
If they use the info to steal my money?
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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I suppose if you somehow managed to catch someone, cash in hand, fleeing then perhaps you would be justified. Trouble is, its very seldom a case of someone actually carrying the cash or item(s) of value out on their person.
What if you saw some bank statements or other electronic records that led to the conclusion of ongoing embezzlement. Usually in these cases, there is some exposure by an internal whistleblower. I think the question here is, under Texas Law, shouldn't the whistleblower take the law into his own hands with a gun, instead of wasting taxpayer money on things like trials and legal justice?
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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If they use the info to steal my money?
Still you're not protected by the Castle law, which this is an expansion of.
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Right, he lawfully killed them both.
No argument here, regarding the actual fact of the law as it exists

Whether the law ought to exist the way it is or not is another matter, but it's not really my problem if people in Texas want the right to shoot children in the back for shoplifting.
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Re: Corporate crime vs. burglary

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Till they start taking money out of your bank account...
Still not protected under the Castle Law which this is an expansion of, you would only be protected if it was in conjunction with that.
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