Originally Posted by Steve

Geez.

Go get educated and get back to me, Slick.

That's not a missle. It's a Mk 46 Mod 0 surface launched torpedo. I've never suggested using missles.

But I'll just chalk that up to your growing list of profoudly ignorant ramblings.

The cool thing about torpedos is that they can be fired, with insane accuracy, from miles away. Assuming someone on deck did see its' underwater wake, by the time they saw it they would have about enough to burp out half a prayer to their god before the ship explodes and sinks.

Obviously, you have no knowledge, whatsoever, of what a torpedo can do. A Mk46 slamming into the hull of an oil tanker would be Armageddon on the high seas.

Then again, Hell, you don't even know what a torpedo is, so your opinions on the matter are easily dismissable...

Originally Posted by Steve

Well, you should should be. Most things that make absolute sense are foreign to you...

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Interesting. Meadhall's been quiet the last few days....


Hmm.

Originally Posted by TheHighForester

I was just laughing at the thought of Panama dispatching two guys in a dugout canoe across the Atlantic.

Armed with blowguns, perhaps?

Originally Posted by John Drake

India navy sinks suspected pirate 'mother ship'
Expert says piracy is 'out of control' as hijackers seize two more vessels

YARR





India navy sinks suspected pirate 'mother ship'


NEW DELHI, India - An Indian naval vessel sank a suspected pirate "mother ship" Wednesday in the Gulf of Aden and chased two attack boats into the night, officials said, in a day of escalating violence in the lawless seas.

Separate bands of pirates seized a Thai ship with 16 crew members and a Iranian cargo vessel with a crew of 25 in the area, where Somalia-based pirates appear to be attacking ships at will, said Noel Choong of the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center in Malaysia.

"It's getting out of control," Choong said.

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A multicoalition naval force has increased patrols in the region, and scored a rare success Tuesday when the Indian warship, operating off the coast of Oman, stopped a ship similar to a pirate vessel mentioned in numerous piracy bulletins. The Indian navy said the pirates fired on the INS Tabar after the officers asked it to stop to be searched.

"Pirates were seen roaming on the upper deck of this vessel with guns and rocket propelled grenade launchers," said a statement from the Indian navy. Indian forces fired back, sparking fires and a series of onboard blasts — possibly due to exploding ammunition — and destroying the ship.

They chased one of two speedboats that had been shadowing the larger ship, and which fled when it sank. One was later found abandoned. The other escaped, according to the statement.

Larger "mother ships" are often used to take gangs of pirates and smaller attack boats into deep water, and can be used as mobile bases to attack merchant vessels.

Last week, Indian navy commandos operating from a warship foiled a pirate attempt to hijack a ship in the Gulf of Aden. The navy said an armed helicopter with marine commandos prevented the pirates from boarding and hijacking the Indian merchant vessel.

Tuesday incidents raised to eight the number of ships hijacked this week alone, he said. Since the beginning of the year, 39 ships have been hijacked in the Gulf of Aden, out of 95 attacked.

"There is no firm deterrent, that's why the pirate attacks are continuing," Choong said. "The criminal activities are flourishing because the risks are low and the rewards are extremely high."

Pirates spreading
The pirates used to mainly roam the waters off the Somali coast, but now they have spread in every direction and are targeting ships farther at sea, according to Choong.

He said 17 vessels remain in the hands of pirates along with more than 300 crew members, including a Ukrainian ship loaded with weapons and a Saudi Arabian supertanker carrying $100 million in crude.



The supertanker, the MV Sirius Star, was anchored Tuesday close to Harardhere, the main pirates' den on the Somali coast, with a full load of 2 million barrels of oil and 25 crew members.

Asked about reports that a ransom had been demanded, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said Wednesday that the owners of the tanker "are negotiating on the issue." He did not elaborate.

He said, "We do not like to negotiate with pirates, terrorists or hijackers." But he said the owners of the tanker are "the final arbiter" on the issue.

Saudi Arabia, the world's leading oil producer, has condemned the hijacking and said it will join the international fight against piracy.

CONTINUED : Attacks continuing unabated
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Steve, even if they did use a missile on it you'd be very unlikely to kill the pirates, who would have plenty of time to kill the crew and escape before the whole ship either went up in flames, or, much more likely, caused the worst environmental disaster in history. And in any case you've just lost 100 million tons of Saudi Sweet Crude

Of course I'm not surprised you suggested it. It's par for the course on anything you and most Republicans suggest, ineffectual chest beating, long on showy use of weaponry for the kiddies, extremely short on brains.

Originally Posted by solletica

Look at the bright side--if it weren't for these brainless GOPerkiddies in charge (i. e. Bush), Iran would not be in the commanding position it's in now.

Originally Posted by Si modo

What do Iran and the GOP have to do with the Indian Navy acting on Somali pirates who have a Saudi ship, sailing under a Panamanian flag, and currently in Somalian waters? Obsession often kills any clarity of thought, though.

Originally Posted by solletica

Better than being brainless, i. e. suggesting shooting an oil tanker w/a missile.

Originally Posted by Steve

Geez.

Go get educated and get back to me, Slick.

That's not a missle. It's a Mk 46 Mod 0 surface launched torpedo. I've never suggested using missles.

But I'll just chalk that up to your growing list of profoudly ignorant ramblings.

The cool thing about torpedos is that they can be fired, with insane accuracy, from miles away. Assuming someone on deck did see its' underwater wake, by the time they saw it they would have about enough to burp out half a prayer to their god before the ship explodes and sinks.

Obviously, you have no knowledge, whatsoever, of what a torpedo can do. A Mk46 slamming into the hull of an oil tanker would be Armageddon on the high seas.

Then again, Hell, you don't even know what a torpedo is, so your opinions on the matter are easily dismissable...



Well, you should should be. Most things that make absolute sense are foreign to you...

Originally Posted by solletica

So you posted a pic of a torpedo?

Originally Posted by John Drake

Well darn, you're right, it is a torpedo. I'm sorry.

I guess I just didn't think anyone could actually be so ill-informeed on the the subject to suggest we use one in the situation.

Steve, this is a Supertanker, it's three football fields long, it's also double hulled and compartmentalized.

Assuming it's not atomic a torpedo MIGHT blow a hole into one compartment, which MIGHT (certainly not guaranteed) then catch on fire and burn. It's not going to go up like a bomb, tankers aren't made that way and crude oil isnt that volatile. Your most likely results, the pirates kill the crew, scuttle the tanker and escape, there is an environmental disaster, second most likely, the tanker breaks in half, the pirates still kill the crew and still escape, there is an envirnomental disaster,. third most likely, the tanker sinks, but before it does the pirates still kill the crew ,still escape and still cause an environmental disaster.

Are you beginning to get the idea? or do you still think the only reason the US Navy hasn't decided to use all the neat torpedoes it has is because they're just a bunch of liberal wienies?

Now my question is why they haven't used SEALs to sneak aboard and kill all the pirates. They did that in a movie fer Crissake, you'd think someone would have the idea by now.

Originally Posted by Steve

You have a keen eye for the obvious, especially when the obvious has been pointed out to you...



That's not true.

Don't believe what you read on Wikipedia. The maximum operating speeds and depths of our torpedos are classified information. You won't see them listen on Wikipedia. Yes, our torpedos travel at 25-356 knots. They also travel much faster than that...



So can our torpedos...



Well, depending on the guidance system of the torpedo, it's actually not too difficult.

You do know that torpedos can hit a maneuvering target, right?

No, you didn't know that?





Solletica, I spent 20 years as a US Navy Sonar Technician. Ya' know what one of the jobs of a US Navy Sonar Technician is? Firing Mk 46 torpedos.

You didn't even know the fucking thing was a torpedo until I told you. There's no reason then, whatsover (and this is backed up by your idiotic claims about our ASW/ASUW warfare capabilities), to think that you might actually know what the fuck you're talking about when it comes to their capabilities.

Being an opinionated liberal no-nothing on an internet forum hardly qualifies you to speak with any authority on the subject. 20 years of actually working in the field qualifies me.

But, go ahead; keep going. I love watching you make yourself look more ignorant than we would've imagined...

Originally Posted by John Drake

Bullshit. As you've so graciously informed me in the past anyone can claim anything on the Internet.

I don't think you spent 20 years doing anything more than scratching your butt. Otherwise you'd know more about Supertankers than to even suggest the Navy fire a torpedo OR a missile at one.

Originally Posted by John Drake

Bullshit. As you've so graciously informed me in the past anyone can claim anything on the Internet.

I don't think you spent 20 years doing anything more than scratching your butt. Otherwise you'd know more about Supertankers than to even suggest the Navy fire a torpedo OR a missile at one.

Originally Posted by Si modo

Hmmm. Based on what I've seen in Steve's posts, I tend to think the man knows a bit about US Naval operations. But, that's just me.