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Old 06-11-2009
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Re: No Terrorism Charges For Von Brunn?

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Perhaps the difference comes from the recruiting center being a government installation, whereas the museum is not?

Either way, I still don't see the terrorism charge as being useful. Try the guy as a common thug.

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I was thinking the same thing, too, but according to this article (and the FBI), the museum is considered a federal building.

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Mr. von Brunn was also charged with possessing and shooting a firearm in a federal building, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation said it was pursuing charges of civil rights and hate crimes against him. F.B.I. officials said they thought Mr. von Brunn had acted alone.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/us/12shoot.html
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Re: No Terrorism Charges For Von Brunn?

It's a mystery to me, then.



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Re: No Terrorism Charges For Von Brunn?

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It's a mystery to me, then.



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Me, too. And it kind of freaks me out when any law is a 'mystery'.
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Old 06-11-2009
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Re: No Terrorism Charges For Von Brunn?

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Terrorism generally applies to an organized systematic plot to overtake the standing civil society from a foreign source.
No, your definition of terrorism is more what we call a ''Coup d'Etat'' or the defintion of a plot to establish a Puppet state.


Terrorism, essentially, consists of continued and persistent methods of intimidation and violence, mostly directed to a group of individuals. Usually terrorist tactics involves political, social, religious or economical reasons/implications. For examples Ku-Klux-Klansmen bombed several civil rights offices or houses, and tried to intimidate civil rights workers and African-American rights activists with terror and violence. That's terrorism, there's the key word ''terror'' inside that term.
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Re: No Terrorism Charges For Von Brunn?

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And I completely agree.

The thing is, I was a little worried Bledsoe's terrorism charges came about simply because of the fact that he was Muslim. I brushed this off eventually, thinking that anybody, Muslim or not, would have similar charges brought against them. However, that doesn't look to be the case.

So, now I'm back to wondering if the terrorism charges against Bledsoe do stem simply from his Muslim background?
IMO it's no different than the "hate crime" bullshit. Who cares if you committed it for money, hate or ideology? Why is the first murder, the second a murder hate crime, and the third terrorism murder? Just treat it as murder, for fuck's sake!
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Old 06-12-2009
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Re: No Terrorism Charges For Von Brunn?

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IMO it's no different than the "hate crime" bullshit. Who cares if you committed it for money, hate or ideology? Why is the first murder, the second a murder hate crime, and the third terrorism murder? Just treat it as murder, for fuck's sake!
Sure, that makes sense to me. I agree we should do away with all these pointless titles.

However, since the government currently feels a need to have them, I want to know why they seem to be used so randomly. Why were terrorism charges brought in one case, but not the other? The terrorism charges comes from shooting into an occupied building, something Von Brunn did, yet he didn't get any terrorism charges. Heck, he's being hit with hate crime charges when the person he killed wasn't even a part of the group he was targeting: Jews. How the fuck does that work?

This is all so retarded.
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Sure, that makes sense to me. I agree we should do away with all these pointless titles.

However, since the government currently feels a need to have them, I want to know why they seem to be used so randomly. Why were terrorism charges brought in one case, but not the other? The terrorism charges comes from shooting into an occupied building, something Von Brunn did, yet he didn't get any terrorism charges. Heck, he's being hit with hate crime charges when the person he killed wasn't even a part of the group he was targeting: Jews. How the fuck does that work?

This is all so retarded.
"Terrorism" is the currently popular political tool used to herd the sheep. Of course they'll apply it subjectively.
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Re: No Terrorism Charges For Von Brunn?

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I was thinking the same thing, too, but according to this article (and the FBI), the museum is considered a federal building.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/12/us/12shoot.html
The question I have is why does a "holocaust museum" qualify as a federal building.

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Old 01-07-2010
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Re: No Terrorism Charges For Von Brunn?

UPDATE:

Von Brunn has evaded trial the natural way.

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Von Brunn, white supremacist Holocaust museum shooter, dies
By Del Quentin Wilber
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, January 7, 2010

The elderly white supremacist charged with killing a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in June died Wednesday afternoon at a North Carolina hospital, authorities said.

James W. von Brunn, 89, who was wounded in the head during the assault, had been undergoing mental health evaluations at a federal prison in Butner, N.C., in recent months. He died at a hospital near the prison shortly before 1 p.m., a federal prison spokeswoman said.

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It would have been nice to have seen him held accountable in court and sentencing, but at least it saved the taxpayer the cost of trial and a lengthy appeals process if the death penalty had been imposed (a likely candidate for it given the facts) that he would have surely cheated with natural death given his age, which he just did.
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Re: No Terrorism Charges For Von Brunn?

Good riddance.
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Re: No Terrorism Charges For Von Brunn?

Thanks for the update, Pete.
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