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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: "Cyberbully" Case Overturned

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And a lot more seem to think that vicious predators should be allowed to do anything they want to people with utter impunity. Wait until it's your kid that's victimised.
What was stopping this "victim" from not logging onto facebook or whatever?
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I see a lot of people on this forum believe that parents are no longer responsible for the proper raising of their children. Shameful.
Of course parents are responsible for their children. But a parent has many tasks and cannot always be present with their child, that is unless they choose to live on welfare and live in the projects, which in and of itself opens up another kind of victimization. By your post, it would seen that you think if someone rapes a child that is quite OK because the parent wasn't at his/her side.


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And a lot more seem to think that vicious predators should be allowed to do anything they want to people with utter impunity. Wait until it's your kid that's victimised.
The woman who did this KNEW who she was talking to and that it was a child. I think the outcome of this case is a travesty.

The internet has opened up new avenues for predatory behavior. At least this woman made headlines, and I certainly hope that the community at large will punish her even if the courts do not.
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: "Cyberbully" Case Overturned

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The internet has opened up new avenues for predatory behavior. At least this woman made headlines, and I certainly hope that the community at large will punish her even if the courts do not.
So you're cool with vigilante justice, Counselor?
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So you're cool with vigilante justice, Counselor?
I didn't say anything about vigilante justice. A community can punish a person financially and socially without ever firing a shot. It is done every day with ex cons, and sex offenders who beat the rap.
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What was stopping this "victim" from not logging onto facebook or whatever?
The fact that she thought she was talking to someone who had purposely told her they had her benefit in mind. The fact that she was a child, and children do not realise the depths of depravity adults will descend to in order to hurt them for no good reason.

I have always been told that society goes to great lengths to protect children from their own folly. Apparently some people do not believe this should be so.

This woman took advantage of a child's naivete to murder her, as surely as any predator has murdered any of his victims. The fact that she used the Internet as her main weapon should neither obviate the extent of her crime nor reduce its heinousness. She should fry and instead she is getting away with murder. The idea of what constitutes "Justice" displayed here is disgusting.

At the very least she should be shunned, ostracised and treated as an utter pariah for the rest of whatever miserable existence a merciful god inexplicably grants her. Let her know some of the anguish she caused an innocent child.
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The fact that she thought she was talking to someone who had purposely told her they had her benefit in mind. The fact that she was a child, and children do not realise the depths of depravity adults will descend to in order to hurt them for no good reason.

I have always been told that society goes to great lengths to protect children from their own folly. Apparently some people do not believe this should be so.

This woman took advantage of a child's naivete to murder her, as surely as any predator has murdered any of his victims. The fact that she used the Internet as her main weapon should neither obviate the extent of her crime nor reduce its heinousness. She should fry and instead she is getting away with murder. The idea of what constitutes "Justice" displayed here is disgusting.

At the very least she should be shunned, ostracised and treated as an utter pariah for the rest of whatever miserable existence a merciful god inexplicably grants her. Let her know some of the anguish she caused an innocent child.
There was a very prominent family in this area whose daughter got married. The family helped them to start a very successful business. A few years into the marriage someone brutally murdered the young woman. Of course, the husband inherited the business interest and a great deal of family money.

Everyone knows he had her killed. The authorities have tried every possible way to convict him and as yet have been unable to do so. BUT the community convicted him in its own way, boycotted his businesses, and bankrupted him.

There is justice in the universe.
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Re: "Cyberbully" Case Overturned

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There was a very prominent family in this area whose daughter got married. The family helped them to start a very successful business. A few years into the marriage someone brutally murdered the young woman. Of course, the husband inherited the business interest and a great deal of family money.

Everyone knows he had her killed. The authorities have tried every possible way to convict him and as yet have been unable to do so. BUT the community convicted him in its own way, boycotted his businesses, and bankrupted him.

There is justice in the universe.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if it turned out that she really was murdered by some psycho? I bet the community wouldn't raise funds to make things right.
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Re: "Cyberbully" Case Overturned

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The fact that she thought she was talking to someone who had purposely told her they had her benefit in mind. The fact that she was a child, and children do not realise the depths of depravity adults will descend to in order to hurt them for no good reason.

I have always been told that society goes to great lengths to protect children from their own folly. Apparently some people do not believe this should be so.

This woman took advantage of a child's naivete to murder her, as surely as any predator has murdered any of his victims. The fact that she used the Internet as her main weapon should neither obviate the extent of her crime nor reduce its heinousness. She should fry and instead she is getting away with murder. The idea of what constitutes "Justice" displayed here is disgusting.

At the very least she should be shunned, ostracised and treated as an utter pariah for the rest of whatever miserable existence a merciful god inexplicably grants her. Let her know some of the anguish she caused an innocent child.
I can't believe I'm hearing this. I'm just dismissing your comments as trolling. I'm done.
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: "Cyberbully" Case Overturned

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And a lot more seem to think that vicious predators should be allowed to do anything they want to people with utter impunity. Wait until it's your kid that's victimised.
When all else fails, try the strawman, huh Drake?

I'm almost certain that nobody here said that they should be allowed to do anything they want to others. What happened was you got your ass handed to you by my earlier post, so now you're doing drive-by posting since you can't handle the heat of a real debate.
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Re: "Cyberbully" Case Overturned

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The fact that she thought she was talking to someone who had purposely told her they had her benefit in mind. The fact that she was a child, and children do not realise the depths of depravity adults will descend to in order to hurt them for no good reason.
She didn't have to realize any of that. All she had to do was to stop reading the stuff as soon as she read the first word that upset her.
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I have always been told that society goes to great lengths to protect children from their own folly. Apparently some people do not believe this should be so.
The parents could have easily done this by taking away the computer they probably owned, anyway.
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This woman took advantage of a child's naivete to murder her,
Are you on a mission to look as ridiculous as possible? Do some reading on the matter and figure out that the committed SUICIDE.
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as surely as any predator has murdered any of his victims.
No.
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The fact that she used the Internet as her main weapon should neither obviate the extent of her crime nor reduce its heinousness.
You're right, it should. But it doesn't matter since she didn't murder anyone, anyway.
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She should fry and instead she is getting away with murder.
No, she is not. In fact, there is probably quite a bit of evidence that the girl committed suicide, hence making it impossible for the woman to have murdered her.
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The idea of what constitutes "Justice" displayed here is disgusting.

At the very least she should be shunned, ostracised and treated as an utter pariah for the rest of whatever miserable existence a merciful god inexplicably grants her. Let her know some of the anguish she caused an innocent child.
That's not really what this thread is about as that is not for the government to decide or do.
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Wouldn't it be hilarious if it turned out that she really was murdered by some psycho? I bet the community wouldn't raise funds to make things right.
The circumstances of the killing, which you do not know, and the fact that the husband forthwith escorted her parents from the business that they had helped them start, as well as the amount of family money he pocketed, I believe, are significant. One man has already been imprisoned for conspiracy, but as yet no conviction as to all the parties involved, including the killer.

But hey they solves a 40 year old murder in Nashvill about 3 years ago, and there is no limitation of action on murder.
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She didn't have to realize any of that. All she had to do was to stop reading the stuff as soon as she read the first word that upset her.The parents could have easily done this by taking away the computer they probably owned, anyway.Are you on a mission to look as ridiculous as possible? Do some reading on the matter and figure out that the committed SUICIDE.No.You're right, it should. But it doesn't matter since she didn't murder anyone, anyway.No, she is not. In fact, there is probably quite a bit of evidence that the girl committed suicide, hence making it impossible for the woman to have murdered her.
That's not really what this thread is about as that is not for the government to decide or do.
Given your depraved take on the role of children in society your depraved blitherings are no surprise.
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Is it really? The only thing special about this case is the suicide, and that was done by the girl. You think people don't flame on the Internet?

And who cares if it's a kid? Are you saying you'd be alright if the woman pissed off a grown man and he committed suicide?
Nope...that is not the only special thing about this case. Sorry, but the kind of things this woman did to the child is not a norm, by any means. And, yes, it does matter if it's a kid. Of course, it wouldn't to you because you want to have the ability have sex with a minor. Of course simply "flaming" a child wouldn't be enough for you.
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Given your depraved take on the role of children in society your depraved blitherings are no surprise.
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Nope...that is not the only special thing about this case. Sorry, but the kind of things this woman did to the child is not a norm, by any means. And, yes, it does matter if it's a kid. Of course, it wouldn't to you because you want to have the ability have sex with a minor. Of course simply "flaming" a child wouldn't be enough for you.
I think the strawmen/ad hominem here are enough to convince any thinking person that the opposing side has no rational argument.
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Old 07-05-2009
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She didn't have to realize any of that. All she had to do was to stop reading the stuff as soon as she read the first word that upset her.The parents could have easily done this by taking away the computer they probably owned, anyway.

Are you on a mission to look as ridiculous as possible? Do some reading on the matter and figure out that the committed SUICIDE.No.You're right, it should. But it doesn't matter since she didn't murder anyone, anyway.No, she is not. In fact, there is probably quite a bit of evidence that the girl committed suicide, hence making it impossible for the woman to have murdered her.

That's not really what this thread is about as that is not for the government to decide or do.
And all of Madoff's victims had to do was to investigate him more carefully, and everybody who's ever been mugged shouldn't have walked down that alley. Bullshit. Stop excusing this evil bitch by blaming the victim

Me look ridiculous? sorry, I'm not the one using semantic quibbling as yet another failing bolster to a weak argument.

What is for the government to do is it's job, and despite what you anarchists think it does have one, and here they are falling down on it, once again. Even Robert Heinlein thought the government had an obligation to protect children, (and pregnant women)

There is a rather popular tv show based entirely on the laudable premise that it is illegal to solicit a minor for sex over the Internet, as it constitutes child abuse. This is considered the case even if the minor in question is entirely fictitious and made up completely to catch the predator. Deliberately driving an actually existing minor to suicide by deception, however, is apparently now perfectly ok. Something is wrong with this country.
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