This could probably go a couple different places but for the moment the story is playing out in the courtroom.

Court Expected to Send Runaway Teen Home Despite Muslim Honor Killing Fears

If nothing else, I think the case shows the flaws in emancipation law, which traps young people in potentially hostile and abusive situations for no other reason than they haven't celebrated their 18th birthday. Emancipation is not something do be done without the state making sure the freed person knows what they are getting themselves into early, but it should be an option in cases like this, no matter where the situations arise. It goes to show that states rights only gets to so far, and is no excuse for bad policy.

In this particular case, Bary accuses her parents of being bound by Muslim tradition and law to kill her for being an apostate. Bary admits to apostasy from Islam. We know honor killings occur, and at her age, she knows her parents, and if she's got good lawyers she run out the clock on this. In responds, the parents accuse the Rev. Blake Lorenz, pastor of the Orlando-based Global Revolution Church, who looks like he is still in college and may very well have something else on his mind, brainwashed her over facebook. I can't help but think that there is a lot more going on here than meets the eye, but I can't find any excuse for the state to drag her back to Ohio against her will.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. She has the right to choose her faith and if that puts her in precieved danger from relatives, she need to be protected. The only remaining question is her citizenship status, which sounds like its tied to her parents, and if she abandons them, where does that leave her.

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"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
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I have a lot of problems with this story, and far be it from me to defend religion (especially nutters), it seems the story is based heavily on conjecture. We really don't know the girl's situation. We don't know if she will be abused and we don't know if if any of the parties in this story is telling the truth.

I also have a major problem with the Professor of psychology, Dr. Phyllis Chesler, saying this:

She's a Professor of psychology, not a Professor on religious studies. What kind of authority does she have to make this determination? Sure, we do know that "honor killings" do occur in certain regions of the world, but I don't think that necessarily translates to applying to every single Muslim family in the world. It seems to me that she has a perception of a certain religion and then making an absolute conclusion that this applies to this particular family.

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I suspect you need to educate yourself on Islam. Certainly, before you question the qualifications of others, educate yourself.

The solution might sound harsh. If we ever hope to wake up the typical American we should send her back to her parents.

Hope for the best.

If she gets killed, well, what should we have expected ? This wouldn't be the first Islamic "honor killing" that occured in America.

This is what happens when "multiculturalism" and "diversity" are the only ideals we have. All cultures are "the same" and so are all of their value systems.

Deal with it.

That's "what they do." We can't criticize them, we encouraged them to come here and have told them in many ways that their values and ideals are just as good as our own.

If we don't like the results of our ideas, maybe it's time to reconsider them ?

Yeah, dumb question

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Like Sri Lanka? Religious extremism is portable.


Fortunately, no one has tried to.

Looks to me like she has a perception of what is going on with this particular family and said nothing about the religion in general that isn't factual.

Maybe if she had escaped to the ACLU headquarters to seek refuge you'd be more likely to believe the girl?

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Originally Posted by Rude Boy

She's a Professor of psychology, not a Professor on religious studies. What kind of authority does she have to make this determination? Sure, we do know that "honor killings" do occur in certain regions of the world, but I don't think that necessarily translates to applying to every single Muslim family in the world. It seems to me that she has a perception of a certain religion and then making an absolute conclusion that this applies to this particular family.


I wonder if our rude buddy would be comfortable deciding she should be forced to go back to her parents.


If the rude ones decision ended with her being separated from her head, I wonder if he would be ok with that ?

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It could never happen in America, right? The land of the free? Apparently Rude Boy missed these:

When she was just 19, Sandeela Kanwal traveled from America to Pakistan for an arranged marriage to a cousin twice her age.

Less than six years later, she was dead — strangled — and her father, Chaudhry Rashid, was arrested by police as the suspect for what some have called an "honor killing."

• Fifty-year-old Yaser Abdel Said became the focus of a massive manhunt after he allegedly killed his teenage daughters Sarah and Amina — for dating boys against his will. Relatives say he tried to marry off Amina in his native Egypt when she was 16, and he hasn't been seen since the girls were shot to death on New Year's Day.

• Zein Isa, a Palestinian terrorist who lived in St. Louis, was convicted of killing his daughter Palestina in 1989. Investigators say he was furious she had a black boyfriend, went to a school dance and got a job at Wendy's. Palestina's mother held her down as Isa plunged a 9-inch knife into his daughter's chest, actions the FBI picked up on a microphone as they investigated Isa for his terrorist ties.

• Waheed Mohammad, a 22-year-old immigrant from Afghanistan, was shamed by his sister, who he thought was a "bad Muslim girl." At his mother's behest, investigators say, he tried to "stop" his sister, stabbing her multiple times, though she survived and spoke to FOX News.
FOXNews.com - Murder in the Family: Honor Killings in America - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

She gets to stay in Florida at least till a September 3rd hearing, thanks to lobbying by Gov. Charlie Crist.

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January 21, 2013: The End of an ERROR.

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become more corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."
"The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
---Benjamin Franklin

Maybe he missed 'em maybe he didn't. It doesn't matter when someone is blinded by a bad idea that they have 100 % faith in being a good idea.

This is why I was suggesting in an earlier post that more of these kinds of killings still have to occur before many of us will wake up and see that our ideas really are bad.

It's sad what it takes sometimes to shed light on some bad ideas that seemed good initially.

The road to Hell was paved with...

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So, you're saying all Muslims perform honor killings? I have a couple of friends who are/were Muslims, one of whom converted to Judaism, with no consequence. His family is still happy for him.

So, I do question her "qualifications" in religious studies if she's going to spout off absolutes about an entire religion.

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Yes, it's all the fault of "multiculturalism" and "diversity." No other factors are involved. Such simple thinking.

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As far as the whole story goes, I don't believe any of them, and that includes the parents. We simply don't have enough information. You've already assumed that she's telling the truth. I've assumed that I can't believe any of them.

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Fuck off. I've not made any decisions and am not going to. What a ridiculously stupid premise.

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I never said that it never happens in America. Yet another straw man.

I'm saying it's stupid for a professor of psychology to speak authoritatively about a whole religion. The response she supplied was an absolute statement.

I've been the victim of such absolute statements before, and as a Jew, I can certainly recognize when a group of people are being demonized or scapegoated.

The story relies heavily on conjecture, which may or may not be true. I'm just saying we need to know more before we go off in a tizzy.

Putting words in my mouth, and then arguing with them as if I've said them, isn't going to help this girl or get to the truth.

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Your ignorance of the Koran and the Hadith are only exceeded by your inability to make valid points. Of course, every Muslim doesn't practice Islam as envisioned by the War Lord, just as every Christian doesn't get baptisted.