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View Poll Results: Should a teacher be held accountable for not reporting possible child abuse?
Yes. The teacher has a responsibility to report the allegation, and should now be punished. 15 88.24%
No. The teacher has no responsibility in this scenario for the safety of students in his charge. 2 11.76%
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Old 09-29-2009
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

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Here's a scenario:

A 15 year old boy approaches one of his teachers, and tells the teacher that he's involved in a homesexual relationship (and all that "homosexual relationship might suggest) with an older man. The boy does not identify the man.

Being 15 years old, at the very least, it would appear as though statutory rape has occurred.

State law requires that such allegations be reported, but the teacher did not report it.

The question is: Should the teacher have been held accountable and punished for not reporting the abuse?
If the case is as clear as this one, then yes, the teacher should be held accountable.

The problem lies with the cases which aren't as clear, where the teacher might suspect something is wrong, but have no real knowledge.

I remember a year back or so, there was a proposal here in Denmark to make teachers responsible for asking questions about it and possible having a talk with the family if they suspected something was wrong at home, as in possible abuse.

That's not what teachers are trained to do and not in their job description. They're not trained social workers and we have to be careful in not making them responsible for something, which they cannot know or have no training in dealing with.
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Are you going to keep on rambling about how much Germans enjoy fucking children so much they've got a law that permits it, or are you going to respond to the poll?
Feel free to adress my arguments if you want to, but wether you accept it or not: I don't give a fuck about that poll.
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Feel free to adress my arguments if you want to, but accept that I don't give a fuck about that poll.
So all you have to contrinute is trolling?

I think it's funny that you read the poll, posts away, not respond to the poll, and then whine about my addressing your "arguments"...
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So all you have to contrinute is trolling?

I think it's funny that you read the poll, posts away, not respond to the poll, and then whine about my addressing your "arguments"...
I don't think that's funny at all. Regarding the question in the poll, I stated where I stand. I felt free to do the same regarding the law which is discussed in this thread. If you think that this behaviour is trolling, feel free to report the posts of mine to a moderator. Up to then, I feel free to enjoy my freedom of speech, which allows me to aviod any poll I don't give a f*ck about. And I definely don't give a f*ck about this poll here.
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The teacher should be punished, its against the law.
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

What is the legal age of consent in this scenario?

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What is the legal age of consent in this scenario?

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Doesn't matter since not reporting it is against the law. Also, google "age of consent" and you'll find the lowest age in the US is 16, although there's a weird one for puerto rico which says with parental permission the age (of marriage) can be 'lower' to account for pregnancy, etc. Strangely, in Puerto Rico the age of consent is 21.
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Look, if you don't want to answer the question, just say so.

There is a state law which requires that a teacher report cases of suspected abuse. That was included in the original post.

The boy describes the person he is having the relationship with as a "man"; not as a mature 16 year old, or as an immature 40 year old.

Given that the law exists, and given that it would appear as though the child's relationship is with an adult (at least that suspicion is there), should the teacher report it, and should he be punished if he doesn't?
if the boy comes to the teacher and says i'm having ass sex with a man, and not i'm in a relationship with a man (relationships can be platonic you know and thus this provides plausible deniablity) then yes the teacher must report it up the chain, or at least to the parents or suffer the consequences under the law.
the kid has to come out and admit the abuse for the teacher to be obligated under the law to say something. he doesn't HAVE to go on an assumption or a suspicision, only a certainty.
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

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Here's a scenario:

A 15 year old boy approaches one of his teachers, and tells the teacher that he's involved in a homesexual relationship (and all that "homosexual relationship might suggest) with an older man. The boy does not identify the man.

Being 15 years old, at the very least, it would appear as though statutory rape has occurred.

State law requires that such allegations be reported, but the teacher did not report it.

The question is: Should the teacher have been held accountable and punished for not reporting the abuse?
Absolutely.

First, if it's the law, and the teacher broke it, then it's self-explanatory that the teacher is liable for the consequences. Laws aren't suggestions or personal pleas.

Second, it's a good law IMO. Primary and secondary school teachers, when acting in their professional capacity given basic education is required by law, have the legal responsibility and control of the children in their charge under the in loco parentis doctrine.

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The term in loco parentis, Latin for "in the place of a parent" or "instead of a parent,"[1] refers to the legal responsibility of a person or organization to take on some of the functions and responsibilities of a parent. Originally derived from British common law, it is applied in two separate areas of the law.

First, it allows institutions such as colleges and schools to act in the best interests of the students as they see fit, although not allowing what would be considered violations of the students' civil liberties.[1] . . .
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Given their responsibility for the children, it should expected of teachers that they'd report anything amiss with a child in their care and custody that involves criminal misconducts being committed upon them.
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

Steve, you cheeky little monkey, when did you plan on letting the cat out of the bag?

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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

There is a slight difference between the real life scenario and your's, in your scenario the boy tells the teacher it is an older man, in the real life scenario, he does not, despite every article I've looked at saying he did. Listen to the audio yourself. My sound quality on my laptop stinks, perhaps someone can direct me to the mark where he says the boy told him it was an older man.

http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-au...ith-older-man/
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Steve, you cheeky little monkey, when did you plan on letting the cat out of the bag?

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You mean Steve had an ulterior motive when creating this thread? I'm shocked.

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You mean Steve had an ulterior motive when creating this thread? I'm shocked.
It was so blindingly obvious that I just called his bluff and answered the question as posed.
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

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Here's a scenario:

A 15 year old boy approaches one of his teachers, and tells the teacher that he's involved in a homesexual relationship (and all that "homosexual relationship might suggest) with an older man. The boy does not identify the man.

Being 15 years old, at the very least, it would appear as though statutory rape has occurred.

State law requires that such allegations be reported, but the teacher did not report it.

The question is: Should the teacher have been held accountable and punished for not reporting the abuse?
I'm leaning towards yes on this. Most student don't tell teachers they're having sex. The student telling the teacher in this case would be a warning sign.
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It was so blindingly obvious that I just called his bluff and answered the question as posed.
We all knew Steve was up to something.
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