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View Poll Results: Should a teacher be held accountable for not reporting possible child abuse?
Yes. The teacher has a responsibility to report the allegation, and should now be punished. 15 88.24%
No. The teacher has no responsibility in this scenario for the safety of students in his charge. 2 11.76%
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Old 09-30-2009
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

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Jennings has every reason to lie. I don't believe his assertion that he wasn't told the relationship was with an "older man"...



The advice Jennings gave the kid is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that, if the kid told Jennings that his relationship was with an older man, then Jennings broke the law by not reporting it.

That point cannot be argued...

That is true. What I have observed teaching nurses, and some of them were already nurses (LPNs) before they came to my class to become RNs, is that when it comes to reporting many people are fearful that the laws will come back to bite them on the ass, OR they simply see that reporting requirement as someone else's responsibility.

I had on LPN come to class telling about a 2 year old who had a finger cut off by an older sibling in the home. She danced all around it when I asked if SHE reported it. She had not, but merely expected someone else to have. Every semester, I had my students go on line, look up the law and we discussed in class how that law relates to THEM!

I don't really think schools make people who are going out there to be professionals as aware and responsible for this reporting requirement as they should be. As to the fear of the professional, if one makes a good faith report of suspected abuse, there is no liablity in that.
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Old 09-30-2009
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

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Jennings has every reason to lie. I don't believe his assertion that he wasn't told the relationship was with an "older man"...



The advice Jennings gave the kid is neither here nor there. The fact of the matter is that, if the kid told Jennings that his relationship was with an older man, then Jennings broke the law by not reporting it.

That point cannot be argued...
What year did this happen?
What were the laws at that time?
How old was the kid at that time?
What is/was the age of consent at that time?
Answer those questions and you may find that you're streching it things abit
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Old 09-30-2009
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

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Jennings has every reason to lie. I don't believe his assertion that he wasn't told the relationship was with an "older man"...
Unless I'm missing anything, there is absolutely zero evidence whatsoever that it was with an older man. If this 15 year old goes to Boston to hook up at a bus stop, it's not unreasonable to think that other 15 year olds would do the same.
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Old 09-30-2009
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

you know, jennings couldve just made the whole thing up to come out of the closet, garner support, tear jerk alot of people, AND make it look like he did "the right thing" by helping a seemingly suicidal child. who is this brewster punk anyway? we got a last name? any corroboration? otherwise i'm gonna call bs on jennings and giggle that it backfired on him
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you know, jennings couldve just made the whole thing up to come out of the closet, garner support, tear jerk alot of people, AND make it look like he did "the right thing" by helping a seemingly suicidal child. who is this brewster punk anyway? we got a last name? any corroboration? otherwise i'm gonna call bs on jennings and giggle that it backfired on him
This was before Brewster got his sex change and became all punky.
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This was before Brewster got his sex change and became all punky.
lol nice pop culture reference
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Old 10-02-2009
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

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The question is: Should the teacher have been held accountable and punished for not reporting the abuse?
Should all teachers be forced to carry out the functions of an informant for the government? No. Additional facts could be relevant, like: does it occur on school grounds? Is the teacher working for a government-funded institution or a privately-funded one? If the latter, then is there a contractual requirement to inform authorities?

If you're just talking about public teachers being required by default to report something like this, then why limit it to this offense? Why not all offenses? A crime is a crime, after all.

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State law requires that the teacher report it. It's not an option.

Should the teacher be punished if he doesn't report it?
Why not just ask if there should be a law? Either there should be a law AND the teacher should be punished or there should not be a law and the teacher should not be punished. Are you asking us if the teacher should be punished even if we decide the law should remain? As in, there would be a law, but no punishment would exist for it?

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I said nothing of changing any law.

You've answered the question; thank you...
So you're not allowing us to answer if the law should exist, but rather asking us if the law should be enforced? I would imagine that law and enforcement are fairly inseparable. If there is no enforcement, the law does not matter, right?

I just think this is a bit of a strange thread. Are you really limiting the choices to:

A. This law should remain and it should be enforced.
or
B. This law should remain and it should not be enforced.

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Old 10-02-2009
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I don't see why everyone's panties are all wadded up.

I presented a simple scenario. People answered the question. Overwhelmingly, if the allegations are true, people here believe the teacher should be punished.
Nope, you did not ask that question. You asked, if the law was broken, ignoring any lack of merit the law has, should the teacher be punished.

You approached this discussion in likely as stupid a manner as possible.

First you said: "I said nothing of changing any law." Which means you're asking the fundamental question of whether or not laws (that presumably have nothing wrong with them, given your preclusion of the discussion of its merits) should be enforced.

Then you say: "You don't have a problem with an adult having a sexual relationship with a child?" Which is actually a question of the justness of such a law.

First, laws should be just. Second, just laws should be enforced.

Since we are having a philosophical and not a practical discussion, why exactly do you go for the latter, while trying to ignore the former?
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

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The boy describes the person as an "older man". The teacher is unaware of the age of the man...



Does it really matter? The boy is 15.

But, the boy describes it as a "relationship" with an older man, so the assumption can be made that it is not "forced", but it is with an adult...
Yes, it matters how old he is. if it's a few years then it's Romeo and Romeo () rather than statutory.
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

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Here's a scenario:

A 15 year old boy approaches one of his teachers, and tells the teacher that he's involved in a homesexual relationship (and all that "homosexual relationship might suggest) with an older man. The boy does not identify the man.

Being 15 years old, at the very least, it would appear as though statutory rape has occurred.

State law requires that such allegations be reported, but the teacher did not report it.

The question is: Should the teacher have been held accountable and punished for not reporting the abuse?
It seems to me that if the state law requires that such allegations be reported then the state should have specified what the penalty for not reporting would be. The teacher in this case would then be faced with that penalty.
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

Uh, only read page one, so if some more facts are exposed which alleviates the teachers guilt, then nevermind....
But, based on the page one scenerio, not ONLY is the teacher guilty of conspiracy(if the kid gets hit again) and conspiracy after the fact(if he doesn't), I'd be treating this case no different than one in which the sex of the attacker and victim were different... RAPE of a minor. PERIOD.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Child Abuse Scenario...

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Here's a scenario:

A 15 year old boy approaches one of his teachers, and tells the teacher that he's involved in a homesexual relationship (and all that "homosexual relationship might suggest) with an older man. The boy does not identify the man.

Being 15 years old, at the very least, it would appear as though statutory rape has occurred.

State law requires that such allegations be reported, but the teacher did not report it.

The question is: Should the teacher have been held accountable and punished for not reporting the abuse?
I can't say yes or no. This is for a judge to decide. The teacher should be charged and tried. If the teachers actions were understandable then leniency can be applied at the discretion of the judge/jury.
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If the teachers actions were understandable
OMG, I hope the FBI is monitoring this crap as if I come in contact with a Pedophile or a Pedophile conspiratorist(sp), I can't promise that scumbag would be presented to the police in a healthy state.

And, for the pedophile appologists or practicioners, you are no less than the scum which should be stamped out.

What has this country come to when scum like this will openly admit their sickness... maybe they are asking for some INTERVENTION? God, I hope so.
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OMG, I hope the FBI is monitoring this crap as if I come in contact with a Pedophile or a Pedophile conspiratorist(sp), I can't promise that scumbag would be presented to the police in a healthy state.

And, for the pedophile appologists or practicioners, you are no less than the scum which should be stamped out.

What has this country come to when scum like this will openly admit their sickness... maybe they are asking for some INTERVENTION? God, I hope so.
God damn free speech and tolerance! Gone are the good old days when you could lynch a nigger for looking at your woman the wrong way...
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It seems to me that if the state law requires that such allegations be reported then the state should have specified what the penalty for not reporting would be.
So someone should be held accountable only if the penalty is disclosed prior to the commission of an act?
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