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View Poll Results: Should a teacher be held accountable for not reporting possible child abuse?
Yes. The teacher has a responsibility to report the allegation, and should now be punished. 15 88.24%
No. The teacher has no responsibility in this scenario for the safety of students in his charge. 2 11.76%
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So someone should be held accountable only if the penalty is disclosed prior to the commission of an act?
Seems to me that it should have been disclosed, period. If they choose to make it a crime, it makes no sense to have no punishment for it, right? But if they don't have it there, it would suck to punish someone with a punishment they made up on the spot. Think of going to a different state, speeding, and then finding out the punishment was $200,000. That needs to be disclosed when it is made illegal, not when they finally catch someone for that crime. Also, if I understand it correctly, the US Constitution prohibits the passing of ex post facto laws.
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Seems to me that it should have been disclosed, period. If they choose to make it a crime, it makes no sense to have no punishment for it, right? But if they don't have it there, it would suck to punish someone with a punishment they made up on the spot. Think of going to a different state, speeding, and then finding out the punishment was $200,000. That needs to be disclosed when it is made illegal, not when they finally catch someone for that crime. Also, if I understand it correctly, the US Constitution prohibits the passing of ex post facto laws.
I disagree with the concept that someone should be made aware of what they could be penalized for commission of a crime, simply because knowledge makes it no less of a crime.

I'm not saying we should have a law on the books and, once someone breaks that law, determine what the maximum punishment is for that crime. In fact, I believe that maximum penalties for various crimes are already determined. All someone has to do is a little digging to determine what those penalties are.

If someone is ignorant of those penalties when he commits a crime, that's just too fuckin' bad for him...
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I voted yes! The teacher would be considered as an accessory after the fact which is also against the law! I'm a "by the numbers" kind of guy with exception to any laws deemed unconstitutional or excessive so in this case, I'm obliged to vote yes!
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I disagree with the concept that someone should be made aware of what they could be penalized for commission of a crime, simply because knowledge makes it no less of a crime.

I'm not saying we should have a law on the books and, once someone breaks that law, determine what the maximum punishment is for that crime. In fact, I believe that maximum penalties for various crimes are already determined. All someone has to do is a little digging to determine what those penalties are.

If someone is ignorant of those penalties when he commits a crime, that's just too fuckin' bad for him...
There is a difference between not knowing what a disclosed penalty is because of ignorance and not knowing what a penalty is because they didn't disclose it. When you said "disclosed," I thought you were talking about a law that didn't have an entry for "maximum penalty" or any penalty at all.
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