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Old 10-16-2009
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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If I understood the article, this occurred during sentencing.

So the only relevant issue here is that the condemned was convicted of breaking into a house and killing the owner.
I guess people should over look their religious beliefs in determining a life or death sentence.

God forbid if ethics and morals plays a role in any of this.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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I think your just offended by the mere presence of a Bible in a court room.
The Bibles were in the deliberation room, which is against the law.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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The Bibles were in the deliberation room, which is against the law.
Ha, show me where its against the law.

I have to see this.

That's a MASSIVE First Amendment violation.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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which means murder or the taking of innocent life. which the guilty did and the state will not.
oh.

i thought "kill" meant "kill." thanks for the theology lesson now i realize that it's okay for christians to kill people they believe to have committed a crime.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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Ha, show me where its against the law.

I have to see this.

That's a MASSIVE First Amendment violation.
LOL, it even says right in the article:
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The 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals said last year that jurors had wrongly used the Bible and that it had amounted to an “external influence” prohibited under the US Constitution.
Why do you hate the US Constitution?
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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If I understood the article, this occurred during sentencing.

So the only relevant issue here is that the condemned was convicted of breaking into a house and killing the owner.
i'm pretty sure you can appeal the sentence without appealing the verdict.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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LOL, it even says right in the article:


Why do you hate the US Constitution?
They also had specific instructions from the judge:

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During the trial, the jurors were instructed by the judge not to refer to anything that was not presented as evidence in the courtroom.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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oh.

i thought "kill" meant "kill." thanks for the theology lesson now i realize that it's okay for christians to kill people they believe to have committed a crime.


not a theology lesson. track the language back.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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LOL, it even says right in the article:


Why do you hate the US Constitution?
That DOESN'T make it against the law.

At most it sets precedent but outlaws nothing.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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i'm pretty sure you can appeal the sentence without appealing the verdict.
Sure.

They have grounds for that but NOTHING about this is illegal in any way shape or form.
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That DOESN'T make it against the law.

At most it sets precedent but outlaws nothing.
So, wait, you support trampling on the constitution? You support jurors defying the orders of a judge?
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So, wait, you support trampling on the constitution? You support jurors defying the orders of a judge?
First, there is nothing unconstitutional about a juror looking to his or her bible for help.

Second, Judges are about as bias as anyone else that's why we have the supreme court.

If they had a problem with this they should have figured it out during the jury selection process.

Yes, this is an odd issue but it should have been figured out then.

Next time they should ask the question "do any of you plan on using your bibles as influence in your verdict"

To say they cant use their "book of morals and ethics" would be unconstitutional.

Those people did nothing wrong and nothing illegal.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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i'm pretty sure you can appeal the sentence without appealing the verdict.
On what grounds? The Bible says murders should die. So does Toby Keith's Beer for my horses, which I'm sure jurors heard on there way to the courthouse.

Where do you draw the line on outside influences?
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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First, there is nothing unconstitutional about a juror looking to his or her bible for help.

Second, Judges are about as bias as anyone else that's why we have the supreme court.

If they had a problem with this they should have figured it out during the jury selection process.

Yes, this is an odd issue but it should have been figured out then.

Next time they should ask the question "do any of you plan on using your bibles as influence in your verdict"

To say they cant use their "book of morals and ethics" would be unconstitutional.

Those people did nothing wrong and nothing illegal.
Once again, you really don't know what you're talking about.

Use of Religious Source Material

It is simply not allowed. You cannot have any material in the deliberation room that can be classified as an external influence. Bibles with specific highlighted passages would be classified as such.
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On what grounds? The Bible says murders should die. So does Toby Keith's Beer for my horses, which I'm sure jurors heard on there way to the courthouse.

Where do you draw the line on outside influences?
There's nothing wrong with relying on your knowledge of the Bible and it's teachings to reach your decision. The issue is actually having the Bible in the deliberation room. That is unconstitutional.
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