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Old 10-16-2009
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Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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WTF? Now, I donīt know anything about the specific crime in question and the guy is probably guilty.

But I see a very big problem when a jury uses the Old Testament to pass sentence upon a person. I know that it was probably just part of their reasoning, but still.... keep religion out of the courtrooms.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

i think there's a passage in there somewhere too that says "thou shalt not kill" or some such bullshit. i wonder why they didn't consult that passage.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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i think there's a passage in there somewhere too that says "thou shalt not kill" or some such bullshit. i wonder why they didn't consult that passage.
I wonder why they consulted the Bible at all... the Bible (or any other religious text) has no place in a courtroom.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

You can tell a jury whatever you want but they walk in the door with a brain full of data and to think that none of tha will come into play is optomistic to say the least.

And that cuts in all directions.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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the Bible (or any other religious text) has no place in a courtroom.
Neither does "social justice"... but people don't seem to have a problem with that now, do they?

Justice is supposed to be blind.... so much for that.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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You can tell a jury whatever you want but they walk in the door with a brain full of data and to think that none of tha will come into play is optomistic to say the least.

And that cuts in all directions.
Iīm perfectly aware that every juror walks in their with their own opinions and baggage. I guess there wouldnīt have been an issue, if they had kept their mouths shut.

But they admitted they had used the Bible in determining guilt and thatīs a very slippery slope. In my opinion, an appeal shouldnīt be out of the question.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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Neither does "social justice"... but people don't seem to have a problem with that now, do they?

Justice is supposed to be blind.... so much for that.
Try for a moment to pretend they had used the Holy Quran instead... now, that would have created a public fuzz and I can just imagine Fox News being camped outside the courtroom.

The Bible... not so much.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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Iīm perfectly aware that every juror walks in their with their own opinions and baggage. I guess there wouldnīt have been an issue, if they had kept their mouths shut.

But they admitted they had used the Bible in determining guilt and thatīs a very slippery slope. In my opinion, an appeal shouldnīt be out of the question.

Should not be bibles in the deliberation room, no argument there.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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i think there's a passage in there somewhere too that says "thou shalt not kill" or some such bullshit. i wonder why they didn't consult that passage.

which means murder or the taking of innocent life. which the guilty did and the state will not.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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Just read this:

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WTF? Now, I donīt know anything about the specific crime in question and the guy is probably guilty.

But I see a very big problem when a jury uses the Old Testament to pass sentence upon a person. I know that it was probably just part of their reasoning, but still.... keep religion out of the courtrooms.
Yea lets just legalize murder because it has a religious connection and we don't need religion in our courts.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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i think there's a passage in there somewhere too that says "thou shalt not kill" or some such bullshit. i wonder why they didn't consult that passage.
Meh, I guess the bible says it's ok to kill under certain cicumstances. According to the article:

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...one juror read aloud to his fellow jurors the passage, from Numbers XXXV, 16: “And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.”
He killed the guy with a gun barrel (iron)... so if he had used a wooden baseball bat, I guess they would have had to find a different passage in the bible.

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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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Yea lets just legalize murder because it has a religious connection and we don't need religion in our courts.
Huh? Who said anything about that? How about judging the guy on the fact that he commited the crime and proving it through a thorough police investigation, as opposed to pulling scriptures out of your ass?
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

It certainly is absolutely ludicrous to have bibles in the deliberation room with certain passages highlighted. That alone should call for a re-trial.

However, due to the nature of the crime, I'd find it hard to imagine that a different verdict would be reached even with a bunch of hard core atheists as jurors. Texas loves them some executions.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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Huh? Who said anything about that? How about judging the guy on the fact that he commited the crime and proving it through a thorough police investigation, as opposed to pulling scriptures out of your ass?
How about this?

The guy was on trial for murder NOT being Christian enough so what good could a Bible possibly serve in the first place? Nothing so the Bible is moot no?

I think your just offended by the mere presence of a Bible in a court room.
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Re: Sentenced to death based partly on the Old Testament...

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But they admitted they had used the Bible in determining guilt and thatīs a very slippery slope. In my opinion, an appeal shouldnīt be out of the question.
If I understood the article, this occurred during sentencing.

So the only relevant issue here is that the condemned was convicted of breaking into a house and killing the owner.
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