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You have a point, and to be fair, they are between a rock and a hard place. If they hadn't contributed anything, they would have been heavily criticized, no doubt about that. However, $50k seems like a joke, when you and I know they could have afforded much more than that.



They sold out years ago. They stopped caring about the music and the fans, they only care about the money... and that's when their music started sucking ass. I never miss an oportunity to point out what douches they are.
Anything after "And Justice For All ..." isn't worth wiping my ass with.

Metallica are douchebags and $50k is an insulting donation, the equivalent of leaving pennies at your local diner as tip.
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I believe you have officially "left the reservation".

John, try to concentrate on what you said, and how I replied, and then make an attempt to stay on topic, which isn't guns. I'm sure there's plenty of bandwidth with which you can post your gun-hating-'cause-you're-all-'fraid-of-'em rants...
Steve, it's exactly on topic. Napster, like a gun, is a TOOL, (only a far, FAR more useful one). Metallica's arguments against it are almost precisely the same as anti gun arguments. You strongly support unfettered gun ownership despite the fact thousands die annually, but are willing to throttle the Internet because a bunch of pathetic old men without the good grace to retire when they ran out of inspiration still want to fully exploit their equally pathetic followers too stoned to realize the eighties are over.

Or were, like I said, hasn't this been resolved pretty much already? Napster is now a perfectly legal file sharing service and Metallica remain four aging douchebags.

And I realize the topic was actually the poor girl who disappeared. I feel very sorry for her family, I hope she'll be found well.
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Steve, it's exactly on topic. Napster, like a gun, is a TOOL, (only a far, FAR more useful one).
Really?

If someone threatens your family; breaks into your home in the middle of the night, what are you gonna’ do, John? Scare them with the Ricky Martin and ELO tunes on your iPod?

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Metallica's arguments against it are almost precisely the same as anti gun arguments.
Utter nonsense…

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Or were, like I said, hasn't this been resolved pretty much already. Napster is now a perfectly legal file sharing service and Metallica remains a bunch of pathetic old men without the good grace to retire when they ran out of inspriration and a large fan base too stoned to realise he eighties are over.
I have to laugh whenever people get pissy about other people making gads of cash.

Metallica figured out the formula, and they went for it. They make more money in a day than you’ll make in a lifetime, and that angers you; I get it. Their fans, stoned or not, are still out there in droves, buying their CD’s and concert tickets.

Jealousy is an ugly thing, John, but it really does fit you well…
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Anything after "And Justice For All ..." isn't worth wiping my ass with.

Metallica are douchebags and $50k is an insulting donation, the equivalent of leaving pennies at your local diner as tip.
The only opinion that matters on this is that of the family.

If they're as offended as you seem to think they should be, I'm sure they'll decline the money...
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Really?

If someone threatens your family; breaks into your home in the middle of the night, what are you gonna’ do, John? Scare them with the Ricky Martin and ELO tunes on your iPod?



Utter nonsense…



I have to laugh whenever people get pissy about other people making gads of cash.

Metallica figured out the formula, and they went for it. They make more money in a day than you’ll make in a lifetime, and that angers you; I get it. Their fans, stoned or not, are still out there in droves, buying their CD’s and concert tickets.

Jealousy is an ugly thing, John, but it really does fit you well…
No, I'd use Kongar ol Ondar tapes, that should scare anyone

"Utter nonsense" is one of your stock phrases you use when you can no longer answer the argument logically, thanks for conceding defeat.

Hey, I'm going to be more successful than them, and it won't be because I'm so expert at blowing record producers and promoters either.
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"Utter nonsense" is one of your stock phrases you use when you can no longer answer the argument logically, thanks for conceding defeat.
Don't flatter yourself.

I use "utter nonsense" when a preposterous claim, such as yours, is made with nothing to support it...

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If not promoters and record producers, then who??

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Don't flatter yourself.

I use "utter nonsense" when a preposterous claim, such as yours, is made with nothing to support it...



If not promoters and record producers, then who??

I intend to use talent, Steve, if you have that you don't have to guard your works like an attack dog, you've moved on by the time your imitators catch up.
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I intend to use talent, Steve, if you have that you don't have to guard your works like an attack dog, you've moved on by the time your imitators catch up.
There's nothing wrong with people imitating you. But that's not what downloaders do. They steal. They're scumbag thieves.

Big difference.

I deal with it all the time with my photography. People steal photos and throw them up on their MySpace or Facebook pages without my permission. I've had about a half dozen people kicked off of MySpace and one kicked off of Facebook.

My lawyer loves shit like that...
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There's nothing wrong with people imitating you. But that's not what downloaders do. They steal. They're scumbag thieves.

Big difference.

I deal with it all the time with my photography. People steal photos and throw them up on their MySpace or Facebook pages without my permission. I've had about a half dozen people kicked off of MySpace and one kicked off of Facebook.

My lawyer loves shit like that...
So you spend all day going thru Facebook, hoping to find some poor "scumbag" teenager so you can cut him off from probably the only friends he has because he dared profit a total of ZERO on your immortal work? Good man, anyone who still thinks it's cool to post 70's bands should get out more anyway.

You're a real prince of a fellow, I do see why lawyers love you so.
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So you spend all day going thru Facebook, hoping to find some poor "scumbag" teenager who somehow thinks it's cool to post 70's bands so you can cut him off from probably the only friends he has because he dared profit a total of ZERO on your immortal work?

You're a real prince of a fellow, I do see why lawyers love you so.
No, I don't spend all day going through Facebook. But when someone copies one of my photos, the data goes with it, which includes my name. A Google search of my name yields results.

And nobody's stealing photos of 70's bands. Hell, those guys pay for the photos. The shots that get stolen are of local bands that I shoot at various venues around town. These guys believe they are, somehow, entitled to the photos, and they're not. They can get them for a fee if they want. If they don't want to be shot, then it's incumbent upon them to tell the venue not to permit photography during their set.

And my work may not be "immortal", but it's pretty fuckin' good. My bank account attests to that...
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So you're basically a paparazzi who goes around suing people for using photos of themselves.

This just gets better and better.
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So you're basically a paparazzi who goes around suing people for using photos of themselves.

This just gets better and better.
You should probably not speak about things you know nothing about. You're no good at it, and doing so makes you look silly...
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You should probably not speak about things you know nothing about. You're no good at it, and doing so makes you look silly...
Well, OK, then what IS the difference between you and the guys who camp out around Linsey Lohan, except that, basically, the only people who WANT the pictures you take are the guys you take them of?

And don't most venues forbid cameras as a matter of routine?
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Well, OK, then what IS the difference between you and the guys who camp out around Linsey Lohan, except that, basically, the only people who WANT the pictures you take are the guys you take them of?
Well, for one, I don't "camp out" in front of anyone's house. I could do that, I suppose, but it really doesn't interest me. I'm also not interested in chasing the star-du-jour around Santa Monica or Hollywood on a weekend. Sure, the money can be damn good, but you've gotta' get that money shot and hope that nobody else did. There's also the ever-present possibility of being attacked.

And if the only people who want my photos are the people who are actually in the photos, that's completely cool with me. Fact is, though, that I've sold photos of various performers to third parties, as well...

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Pretty much any of the larger venues, yes. House Of Blues, for instance, is outright militant about "no cameras". I shoot not only for myself, but two magazines, so that's when I get credentialed and get into the photo pit.

Smaller venues don't care. They might question what's in my backpack when I shoot in a new venue, but I've shot so often in most of the clubs in southern California that I know all the doormen. It's gotten to the point where they don't even charge me a cover...
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