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Re: Parents sue bat company, 12 retards award them $850,000

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Daily Herald | Aluminum vs. wood bats: A difference in safety?



Since no one else was looking for numbers.......
My argument would stand if the numbers reflected "17 players killed, 14 due to metal bats and 3 due to wooden bats" however since the numbers are not available then my argument does not stand.

However, if the numbers DID reflect 17 to 3 ratio of Metal to wood, how would those arguing with me feel?
Depends upon the ratio of Metal to Wood bats used over all. If there's a 14 to 3 ratio of Metal to Wood bats used by all players, the stat is meaningless.

Actually, the ratio of "power" hitters using Metal to Wood would be the most important stat, as some of us never hit a whole lot of homeruns.
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Again, if it is proven that metal bats are several times more likely to kill someone, then they shouldn't be made.
Of course they're more likely to kill people than wood bats. There are roughly 750 MLB players that use wooden bats. Add to that, another couple thousand minor league players, and you have less than 3,000 wooden bats being used.
Compare that to millions of little league, high school and college players that use aluminum bats. Discounting the skill levels reached by professional players, the odds are about a thousand times greater for a player to be killed by a ball batted off a metal bat.[quote]



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And if your child died and you found out aluminum bat hit balls kill 5 times as many people as balls hit by wooden bats, you'd still feel fine with the executives decision to keep making that product even though they knew they would kill people that would not otherwise have been killed had they used a wooden bat.



You're sidestepping the issue. The question is if the company knowingly produced a product more likely to kill people.




So how many deaths are acceptable then? Does your child work into that number?



Oh no, I should have expanded, you're worth a few extra bucks to the corporations selling you things that can kill you. As for your statement, accidents happen, if the accident was fatal because the product used was known to be more deadly by the company producing it, then it probably would not have been fatal if a wooden bat was used.
Apparently, if only 5 times more people are killed by aluminum bats, they are a couple hundred times safer than wood.
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Re: Parents sue bat company, 12 retards award them $850,000

Currently our society treats responsibility like a disease.

Everything is always someone elses fault.
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You feel terrible, as does your kid. And if the pitcher hits your kid in the head and kills him?

Only cure I see is outlaw Baseball, and switch to soccer.
Kids get killed in every sport, except perhaps badminton. However if they designed new rackets that people started using that started killing people, shoudl they keep using the new rackets?
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...my argument does not stand.
I'll agree with that 100%...
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Kids get killed in every sport, except perhaps badminton. However if they designed new rackets that people started using that started killing people, shoudl they keep using the new rackets?
A 200 mph rubber ball with feathers would leave a mark, but I doubt it would cause death.
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The funny part is these fucking tools are always bitching about how fat kids are but then turn around and point fingers at athletics as being dangerous.
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The funny part is these fucking tools are always bitching about how fat kids are but then turn around and point fingers at athletics as being dangerous.
Yep. Every "Happy Meal" needs a warning label.
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Re: Parents sue bat company, 12 retards award them $850,000

After reading every post in this thread, I realize what a horrible mother I am. My son has 2 footballs, one leather, one pleather. I shouldn't be on here reading silly posts, I should be researching the difference in safety between a leather football and a pleather one. My son is nine. Should he happen to be outside playing football with his friends I want to be sure that he isn't playing with a more "dangerous" football. (anyone have any stats on which football is safer?)

What about his bike. He has a Haro that is really a lightweight bike. I should be researching to find out if lightweight bikes are more dangerous that regular bikes. I mean, when he goes up to the bike path and is doing jumps (and whatever else it is he does on that thing) I need to know that if he happens to fall off his bike, what bike is the safest bike to fall off of.

What should I do when he is outside playing with his friends? I mean, ugh... they are boys. They do silly stuff like play tackle football WITH NO PROTECTIVE GEAR. They aren't suiting up before playing football. AND THEY TACKLE EACH OTHER!!!

What to do, what to do.

Maybe I should get off here and just throw all of his toys away. Maybe I should go out and get him some Barbie's or something. Oh.... wait.... he might chew on them and choke.

Guess there is only one thing to do. Clear out his room and let him have nothing. When he does leave the house (only with my direct supervision) I better wrap him in bubble wrap to make sure that he doesn't get hurt.

Never mind. I am not a stupid liberal. I know that 9 year old boys are half retarded and get hurt. (does this mean that I can't sue the batting cage for my son getting hit by a ball from their machine? I mean... I know it was his fault because he wasn't paying attention.... but momma needs a new car)

Threads like this make me understand why things are the way they are in our country. People are fucking retarded and always looking for someone to blame... hey... and they make bank for doing it.
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I'll agree with that 100%...
Well in this specific case. However in the hypothetical situation everyone is jumping on with ratios, maybe I should have elaborated that it should be on a 1 to 1 ratio as far as use, so with 10,000 vs 10,000 metal to wood bats, if the metal ones were found to be 15 times deadlier...... Since I personally do not know the specific number of metal vs wooden bats and didn't know the metal ones were that much more popular.
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Well in this specific case. However in the hypothetical situation everyone is jumping on with ratios, maybe I should have elaborated that it should be on a 1 to 1 ratio as far as use, so with 10,000 vs 10,000 metal to wood bats, if the metal ones were found to be 15 times deadlier......
You can "if" this issue into the ground, and it will accomplish nothing. "If" wood bats were more likely to burst into flames when a batter swings it, we should probably ban those, too.

Using "if" is seldom constructive...

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Since I personally do not know the specific number of metal vs wooden bats and didn't know the metal ones were that much more popular.
They are.

Around here (southern California), aluminum bats can be found on every Little League, high school, and college baseball field. You would be hard-pressed to find a wood bat used during a game.

Surely, if it was so clearly obvious that aluminum bats were that much more dangerous than wood bats, we would be hearing stories of being killed far more often. But think about the story in the OP: Prior to this incident, when was the last time you heard of someone being killed by a ball coming off an aluminum bat?

Statistically, it's pretty much non-existant...
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After reading every post in this thread, I realize what a horrible mother I am. My son has 2 footballs, one leather, one pleather. I shouldn't be on here reading silly posts, I should be researching the difference in safety between a leather football and a pleather one. My son is nine. Should he happen to be outside playing football with his friends I want to be sure that he isn't playing with a more "dangerous" football. (anyone have any stats on which football is safer?)

What about his bike. He has a Haro that is really a lightweight bike. I should be researching to find out if lightweight bikes are more dangerous that regular bikes. I mean, when he goes up to the bike path and is doing jumps (and whatever else it is he does on that thing) I need to know that if he happens to fall off his bike, what bike is the safest bike to fall off of.

What should I do when he is outside playing with his friends? I mean, ugh... they are boys. They do silly stuff like play tackle football WITH NO PROTECTIVE GEAR. They aren't suiting up before playing football. AND THEY TACKLE EACH OTHER!!!

What to do, what to do.

Maybe I should get off here and just throw all of his toys away. Maybe I should go out and get him some Barbie's or something. Oh.... wait.... he might chew on them and choke.

Guess there is only one thing to do. Clear out his room and let him have nothing. When he does leave the house (only with my direct supervision) I better wrap him in bubble wrap to make sure that he doesn't get hurt.

Never mind. I am not a stupid liberal. I know that 9 year old boys are half retarded and get hurt. (does this mean that I can't sue the batting cage for my son getting hit by a ball from their machine? I mean... I know it was his fault because he wasn't paying attention.... but momma needs a new car)

Threads like this make me understand why things are the way they are in our country. People are fucking retarded and always looking for someone to blame... hey... and they make bank for doing it.
Lol. Most won't believe it, but I agree with you.

We do need more common sense all the way around, from the consumers using the products to the corporations making them. In this specific case, the numbers don't support that this product was any more dangerous than another, and moral of the story is that the kid died from playing baseball. Tragic but the numbers don't support that the company willfully did anything that could counted as dangerous.

So my initial stance that this could be used in a negative way for TORT reform is tragic as well, still stands. While reform is what it is called, they are pushing to not allow any type of legal compensation for any corporate wrongdoing.
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after reading every post in this thread, i realize what a horrible mother i am. My son has 2 footballs, one leather, one pleather. I shouldn't be on here reading silly posts, i should be researching the difference in safety between a leather football and a pleather one. My son is nine. Should he happen to be outside playing football with his friends i want to be sure that he isn't playing with a more "dangerous" football. (anyone have any stats on which football is safer?)

what about his bike. He has a haro that is really a lightweight bike. I should be researching to find out if lightweight bikes are more dangerous that regular bikes. I mean, when he goes up to the bike path and is doing jumps (and whatever else it is he does on that thing) i need to know that if he happens to fall off his bike, what bike is the safest bike to fall off of.

What should i do when he is outside playing with his friends? I mean, ugh... They are boys. They do silly stuff like play tackle football with no protective gear. They aren't suiting up before playing football. And they tackle each other!!!

What to do, what to do.

Maybe i should get off here and just throw all of his toys away. Maybe i should go out and get him some barbie's or something. Oh.... Wait.... He might chew on them and choke.

Guess there is only one thing to do. Clear out his room and let him have nothing. When he does leave the house (only with my direct supervision) i better wrap him in bubble wrap to make sure that he doesn't get hurt.

Never mind. I am not a stupid liberal. I know that 9 year old boys are half retarded and get hurt. (does this mean that i can't sue the batting cage for my son getting hit by a ball from their machine? I mean... I know it was his fault because he wasn't paying attention.... But momma needs a new car)

threads like this make me understand why things are the way they are in our country. People are fucking retarded and always looking for someone to blame... Hey... And they make bank for doing it.
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Re: Parents sue bat company, 12 retards award them $850,000

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Daily Herald | Aluminum vs. wood bats: A difference in safety?



Since no one else was looking for numbers.......
My argument would stand if the numbers reflected "17 players killed, 14 due to metal bats and 3 due to wooden bats" however since the numbers are not available then my argument does not stand.

However, if the numbers DID reflect 17 to 3 ratio of Metal to wood, how would those arguing with me feel?
I wouldnt feel any different. A manufacturer is not liable for accidents.
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I wouldnt feel any different. A manufacturer is not liable for accidents.
Yes BUT what makes people think the manufacturer is?

There is something fucked up in their psyche that makes them believe its not their fault its the manufacturers fault despite the fact that it is their own fault.
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