dream on.

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I disagree. No good would come of studying his dead body. This tragedy provides us with the opportunity to either study what makes a person snap, or find out who his connections may be within the terrorist community. Both of these would be beneficial.

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-Friedrich Nietzsche, The Wanderer and his Shadow

All good socialists have villas in Southern France. That's not the point.
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Well now, that's odd, because you just sound like you're talking out of your ass. Yep, you're unable to actually answer the questions. You're talking out of your ass.

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What makes them "snap" ? islam.

Who ? they already know.

There is beneft in hanging his carcas on a pike to show how we feel about this sort of scum.

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Jesus loves you, allah wants you dead

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Should disinter the bodies of the Muslim US servicemen buried at Arlington National Cemetery as well? You know, the ones who died in the service of their country, the USA?

Hmmmm?

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Clearly there is more to it than "being a Muslim made him crazy and all Muslims are terrorists."

We have an opportunity to both study the mental health issue at play (assuming it exists) and to get the identities of every anti American person he associates with. Not just the AQ members he tried to get in contact with, but the people who fostered his views to begin with. I assure you, it wasn't one imam and it certainly wasn't the whole of the Muslim community.

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During the journey we commonly forget its goal. Almost every profession is chosen as a means to an end but continued as an end in itself. Forgetting our objectives is the most frequent act of stupidity.
-Friedrich Nietzsche, The Wanderer and his Shadow

All good socialists have villas in Southern France. That's not the point.
-Eurosocialist

There is the US Sedition Act of 1918, but I think it was only enforced once:

Sedition Act of 1918 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

According to the article the person against whom it was enforced ran for president even though he had lost his citizenship and got almost 1 million votes.

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If it would get rid of him I'd consider it a fair bargain. Unfortunately, he'd just find another poor group to inflict himself on..

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Hehe, true. Sedition has long been deemed unprotected speech, but there has been overreaching in statutes from time to time that are overbroad and attempt to include protected speech on account of emotional overreactions, fear, flagwaiving political appeals by politicians playing that card, etc. But the law and law enforcement should spend its time just getting it right for the right aims.

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Hehe, I've never been 'wobbly' on this topic. I have always been focused on how best to address it.

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Sedition isn't protected speech, and courts have long held that since the beginning. The questions have turned on what rightly is considered unprotected seditious speech and what is not, though.

Hasan is a military officer, and seditious speech by military personnel has long been prohibited under the UCMJ given the particular duties and oaths taken by the military:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10...4----000-.html

In the civilian sphere, the SCOTUS has held that the First Amendment protects radical and revolutionary speech unless it poses a "clear and present danger," that meaning that people must be encouraged to do something, rather than merely to believe in something.

The same patterns fall within the 'fighting words' incitement to violence being unpotected speech, of which much of sedition also falls as a subcategory thereof.

So, seeking to instigate people to kill all the Jews or anyone else is not protected. It's an encouragement to others to do so, is an overt act, and not a mere expression of one's own belief in academic fashion.

In fact, it would flip the example on its head to allow otherwise. An illegal attempt to instigate others to kill a Rabbi because he's a Jew does not become legalised by making a far more comprehensive instigation of killing him along with all other Jews. That's not a whitewash into legality--it's the attempt to instigate a mass murder/holocaust, that Rabbi included within.

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This isn't an issue that should be punted because of the lack of perfection in guarding against it, especially so when conduct is openly detected. Sure, you'll get some loner who'll commit an atrocity like at the Amish school (which was right near me and I saw the aftermath). But that guy was a lone crackpot who made no overt comments about what he intended to do. On the other hand, some of the types I cited on this thread--like those of Revolution Muslim--are publicly open in their callings and intents. And it certainly really has no comparison to an academic expression like thinking the Amish buggies ought to have better lighting, which would be a constructively intended road safety concern suggestion, the very opposite of fighting words and incitement to violence.

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well, looks like they had their 'suspiscions...jesus christ.



Walter Reed Officials Asked: Was Hasan Psychotic?

When a group of key officials gathered in the spring of 2008 for their monthly meeting in a Bethesda, Md., office, one of the leading — and most perplexing — items on their agenda was: What should we do about Hasan?…


Both fellow students and faculty were deeply troubled by Hasan’s behavior — which they variously called disconnected, aloof, paranoid, belligerent, and schizoid. The officials say he antagonized some students and faculty by espousing what they perceived to be extremist Islamic views. His supervisors at Walter Reed had even reprimanded him for telling at least one patient that “Islam can save your soul.”…


One official involved in the conversations had reportedly told colleagues that he worried that if Hasan deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, he might leak secret military information to Islamic extremists. Another official reportedly wondered aloud to colleagues whether Hasan might be capable of committing fratricide, like the Muslim U.S. Army sergeant who, in 2003, killed two fellow soldiers and injured 14 others by setting off grenades at a base in Kuwait.


Walter Reed Officials Asked: Was Hasan Psychotic? : NPR

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"The captain has turned off the `No Dubbing' sign. You are free to speak any language you choose."

Yes his colleagues were concerned that Maj. Hasan was clinically pyschotic. The solution his superiors came up with? Reassign him to Fort Hood. Make him somebdy else's problem. Kinda like when the Archdiocese of the Catholic Church would reassign a priest when rumors of altar-boy buggery began to circulate.

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yeaaaaaa well, seemed to me you got shaky under questioning...you would not stand up to a good water boarding...

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