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Makes you wonder who the psychiatrists are for the psychiatrists. Especially for the ones who have to deal with just the worst of the worst stories and images from war.

No it doesn't; it makes me wonder why people choose professions when they're ill-equipped to for them.
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Wow, the guy was a medical professional. A psychiatrist.

He wasn't just some macho-dickhead then but an intellectual type. That's fascinating.

I don't know how if you're a muslim-American-psychiatrist-Major in the U.S. military you wouldn't naturally kind of drive yourself crazy.
I've known plenty of kooky people in that field. In fact, many kooks with issues upstairs are attracted to that field because it involves their own issues.

Also, converts often prove to be the most zealot. They 'find' whatever they are 'looking for that's missing and/or messed up in their lives' and they buy a new can of religious Kool Aid. Many of the people attempting militant Islamic attacks in the West are converts who were fucked up on drugs, crime, 'life issues', being a 'headcase,' etc, and got 'cured' by getting fucked up on radical Islamic religious stuff.
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When it can be logically inferred that your conclusions are likely, then yes. By all means jump. In this case, the odds are very good that his motivation was religious fanaticism it's prudent to start there just like you would start with the spouse in a murder investigation.
No, while it may turn out to be the case, there is no way to calculate the odds, as you attempted to do so a few posts ago.
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Also, converts often prove to be the most zealot.
I forget who is was, but there used to be a poster here (may still be here) who said he became a Christian after 9/11. But he didn't become one because those horrific events made him more introspective and questioning of his own being. No, he said he became one because Islam had to be destroyed.

I always thought that was kinda' funny...
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It's coming out that this attack is/was political. Live interview going on now.

Shooter called for 'more attacks like Little Rock'
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A Colonel who worked with the traitor at Ft Hood has reported just now that this man for AT LEAST 6 MONTHS
has been making anti-American statements and outrageous remarks to fellow officers.

At a conference he made the statement that "it is time for all Muslims to rise up and attack the aggressors" (Americans) This being said - what in THE hell was this man still ding in the military, and why the f*ck was he still an officer???

WTF??A man IN A CONFERENCE for several other officers heard him make the statement above - WTF was he still in the military????

THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS
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UPDATE: He was a psychiatrist and he was upset about being deployed to iraq.

That probably rules out PTSD.

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Yes I heard that too, he interned at Walter Reed grdauated an Army speciality school. Apparently according to reports he had recently received a poor eval.....as to why and all that, well, it will out sooner or later. I have not heard anything about his conversion etc.
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Re: 12 dead, 31 injured in Fort Hood shooting

A retired fellow officer who worked with the dead shooter confirms political sympathies with terrorists.
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A Colonel who worked with the traitor at Ft Hood has reported just now that this man for AT LEAST 6 MONTHS
has been making anti-American statements and outrageous remarks to fellow officers.

At a conference he made the statement that "it is time for all Muslims to rise up and attack the aggressors" (Americans) This being said - what in THE hell was this man still ding in the military, and why the f*ck was he still an officer???

WTF??A man IN A CONFERENCE for several other officers heard him make the statement above - WTF was he still in the military????

THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS
sorry to say but, because like all large entities, theres a command that’s huge and bureaucratic. And like large entities, PC exists in the military too, with even harsher consequences than civilian entities for crossing a line.

As to the ‘free speech’ issue, as sick as it sounds, he cannot be disciplined for saying something like that and making him the focus of an investigation for that, could as I said cross a PC line. Officers in many ways are even more scared than their civilian counter parts as their careers live and die on their evals.
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I forget who is was, but there used to be a poster here (may still be here) who said he became a Christian after 9/11. But he didn't become one because those horrific events made him more introspective and questioning of his own being. No, he said he became one because Islam had to be destroyed.

I always thought that was kinda' funny...
I remember that guy...good memory.

I also remember guys like Catfish, who found 'Allah' after a life of screwing it up and was a total headcase. He liked the fact that he could go to Muslim countries and get many obedient wives (obviously a selling point for insecure control freak guys who want to lay pipe with many slavish women under their control--Muhammad knew how to get converts with that one for sure). He also loved radical Islam. He eventually got banned for going extra nutso one night posting radical stuff calling for the blowing up and killing all sorts of American officials, places, and God visiting destruction on New Orleans, etc. For head cases like that with violent anger issues, it's always another big selling point of religious extremism that it's really not them being a violent person, it's actually God telling them to act out on their angers.

They hang out all their hates, angers, control issues, and any other malevolent impulses on that radical shit. It's the ultimate excuse for acting out on what they are predisposed and desire to do. "I'm not a headcase, angry, bigoted, violent, troglodytish on women, etc...I have God's mandate for that." It's the ultimate trump card strawman for them.
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Very sad.

On all the news channels I can find right now, I hear things like, "there were apparently no gangs on this base" and "it's like a family on this base, which is why it's so hard to make sense of".

As the cable news channels and people like us on forums like these try to figure out the "motives" of a tragedy like this, it must be noted that when we're dealing with PTSD, motives can become very murky because it is not a typical kind of crime born out of typical motives like revenge or hate or jealousy.

There very well could be concrete "motives" and we'll no doubt hear about what those are, but I'm afraid we're going to look at it from the outside-in instead of the inside-out if it is indeed a tragedy born out of incredible duress and all the pressure that some military members put on themselves when struggling with PTSD.

Yes, it's tragic, but we need to try to understand stress and depression, guilt and shame more than we need to just be shocked and then have the story just go away over time. The stigma associated with mental trauma is real, and many people suffer in deep silence, and I hope an adult national conversation can really happen now that addresses these issues.
Yes, all you say is true and right now, the government is throwing money at the military AND the VA for mental health.
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Apprently he had tried to get out of the military and he complained of harrasment, even had an attorney, as to wether this ocurred after his statements or before, the reporter didn't say.

AND, it appears he has always been Muslim.....prior to joining the military, all his life....just a live radio interveiw so I don't know how accurate this all is...
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We have at least a dozen dead soldiers because it looks like the military brass failed to do their job.
He should have at minimum been discharged for conduct unbecoming of an officer.

A Colonel, not some buck private two weeks into his tour - but a full Colonel just made a statement that him, several other doctors and officers had made complaints against this traitor.
Other Doctors had made statements as to all the brass did to deal with this man was to "transfer the problem from Walter Reed to Ft Hood.

This is a f*cking disgrace. We will have numerous military families attending funerals of soldiers who were murdered by a KNOWN terrorist sympathizer ON United States soil - at the largest military base in the world.
I will not be satisfied until I see some failed "leaders" at this base dishonerably discharged for failure to deal with an outragous situation.
Their FIRST duty is to protect the soldiers going off to fight a war...not pacify a fucked up individual who has no business being there.
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Apprently he had tried to get out of the military and he complained of harrasment, even had an attorney, as to wether this ocurred after his statements or before, the reporter didn't say.

AND, it appears he has always been Muslim.....prior to joining the military, all his life....just a live radio interveiw so I don't know how accurate this all is...
Wow. It could very well be that it's all PTSD and he happened to be Muslim.
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A Colonel who worked with the traitor at Ft Hood has reported just now that this man for AT LEAST 6 MONTHS
has been making anti-American statements and outrageous remarks to fellow officers.

At a conference he made the statement that "it is time for all Muslims to rise up and attack the aggressors" (Americans) This being said - what in THE hell was this man still ding in the military, and why the f*ck was he still an officer???

WTF??A man IN A CONFERENCE for several other officers heard him make the statement above - WTF was he still in the military????

THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS
P/C creeping into the military.
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