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Old 09-12-2007
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This could be the biggest discovery ever!

Wow! This is really incredible, and it doesn't seem to be fake either. Saltwater (the biggest resource on the planet) can actually burn with the help from radio frequency. This could be the ultimate solution to the worlds energy problems!

YouTube - Saltwater into fire 2 (John Kanzius) YouTube - Saltwater into fire 3 (John Kanzius)
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Re: This could be the biggest discovery ever!

The question becomes how much energy do you get out of the combustion compared to the amount you put in via RF energy?

If you're using a kilowatt of RF to produce a couple watts of thermal energy, it's kind of pointless.

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Re: This could be the biggest discovery ever!

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The question becomes how much energy do you get out of the combustion compared to the amount you put in via RF energy?

If you're using a kilowatt of RF to produce a couple watts of thermal energy, it's kind of pointless.

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I forget where I read it, but it was said that the amount of energy produced would be far less than the energy required to produce it.

Still, it's pretty fuckin' cool...
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Re: This could be the biggest discovery ever!

Well, the same math applies to ethanol and they give it public subsidies.

A gallon of gasoline with ethanol requries more energy to create than a gallon of gasoline without ethanol in it.

The amount of energy used to make the ethanol is generally larger than the amount of energy produced by burning ethanol (unless your ethanol comes from sugar, which in the USA, it doesn't).
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Well, the same math applies to ethanol and they give it public subsidies.
I'm not even addressing the economic side of it, just the "coolness" factor of it...
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The question becomes how much energy do you get out of the combustion compared to the amount you put in via RF energy?

If you're using a kilowatt of RF to produce a couple watts of thermal energy, it's kind of pointless.

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From what I could understand in the YouTube discussion, it creates more energy than it uses. I am more concerned about what American oil companies as well as Saudi Arabia would do to stop this from happening.

Back in 1998 a guy called Stan Meyer finished a similar invention to be used in cars, and the Saudi Arabians offered him $1 billion for it which he refused. A while later he was found murdered by poisoning - hardly a coincidence.
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Re: This could be the biggest discovery ever!

They'll probably kill everyone who saw it on YouTube.

Thanks a lot. Now I gotta get killed because of the video you posted.....



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They'll probably kill everyone who saw it on YouTube.

Thanks a lot. Now I gotta get killed because of the video you posted.....
Expect nothing less from me.
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Re: This could be the biggest discovery ever!

I'm a skeptic, not because I don't think its possible, it clearly is from the video. Its just that everything takes energy, and if it indeed uses more energy than it produces its impractical even if it is cool. Still, I am excited about the possibilities none-the-less. Not only can this be a potential way of tapping Hydrogen, it also is a way to get fresh water from the sea. How, because the water formed after combustion is free of salt and other contaminants.

Whatever happens, this is neat one way or another.
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Well, the same math applies to ethanol and they give it public subsidies.

A gallon of gasoline with ethanol requries more energy to create than a gallon of gasoline without ethanol in it.

The amount of energy used to make the ethanol is generally larger than the amount of energy produced by burning ethanol (unless your ethanol comes from sugar, which in the USA, it doesn't).
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Additionally: Ethanol as a fuel in a combustion engine is less efficient than gasoline refined from oil . (It would return less miles per gallon in an automobile than the oil refined gasoline).
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Re: This could be the biggest discovery ever!

Ethanol fuels politicians campaigns with contributions from ADM and votes from Iowa, so even though it's lousy energy policy, it's locked in, and since every presidential campaign starts in Iowa, every presidential candidate begins his campaign by endorsing Ethanol, or ends his campaign by pointing out how ludicrous ethanol is.

can Salt Water do that?
Where is the Salt Water vote?
Without that, I'm afraid it's doomed...............
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Re: This could be the biggest discovery ever!

Uh no. This is not a perpetual motion machine, sorry. Neither is it fusion, sorry. Neither is it alternative energy, sorry. Its just allot of electromagnetic radiation splitting the Hydogen from the Oxygen atoms in water, then burning off the hydrogen. It looks cool, but so does a kaleidoscope.

"How can you be so dismissive." Sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't have spent 4 years in physics classes, the world would be a funner more magical place. Depressing.
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Re: This could be the biggest discovery ever!

So even the sea is not safe from our selfishness now.

Does nobody consider conservation?
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So even the sea is not safe from our selfishness now.
It doesn't work, it's not free energy.

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Energy consumption = prosperity.

Cut energy consumption, cut prosperity. Not everyone wants to live in a shack like Ted Kazinski.
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Re: This could be the biggest discovery ever!

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It doesn't work, it's not free energy.



Energy consumption = prosperity.

Cut energy consumption, cut prosperity. Not everyone wants to live in a shack like Ted Kazinski.
But most of us want to live. Long term.

If we start interfering with the sea, what effect will that have on the environment? Presumably the amount of water needed to power your upmarket shack will be huge. I am not a scientist, but recall something about rain coming from water skimmed from the top of the sea...

This technology is not efficient yet and not ready for use, but if it does become so, what safeguard is there for replacement of the water it uses?

I am not a luddite, but this could have a more serious effect on the environment than the destruction of rain forests.
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