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Re: Electric car for the masses on the horizon?

This reminds me of the golden years of the danish car industry.

Kinda cute arent they?





Effecient electric cars would do very good in Denmark since they are not taxed at all - unlike ordinary cars that are taxed with 180% of their purchase price.
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Straight from Lego-land.
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Which puts more carbon in the atmosphere? Gasoline or the coal used to make the electricity?
At least it would keep pollution outta the cities...
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So when is it ready for the street? Whats the performance?
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You might have a problem selling the public on that idea. Things didn't work out so well last time they used hydrogen for flight.
Oh, the humanity!
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This reminds me of the golden years of the danish car industry.

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Effecient electric cars would do very good in Denmark since they are not taxed at all - unlike ordinary cars that are taxed with 180% of their purchase price.
I've seen cars in soap box derbies with more kick in them.
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So when is it ready for the street? Whats the performance?
It's already in production.
Very low numbers I am afraid, but there is very high demand (all those movie stars )

Performance:
0-60mph / 97 kph in less than 4 seconds
Top Speed: 125mph / 200 kph (there is a electronic blockade in it.. it could technically go faster but It's not too healthy for the battery lifetime )
Range: 245 miles / 394 km
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You might have a problem selling the public on that idea. Things didn't work out so well last time they used hydrogen for flight.
Gee, blow up the largest aircraft ever made 70 years ago and nobody will let'cha forget about it eh?
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It's already in production.
Very low numbers I am afraid, but there is very high demand (all those movie stars )

Performance:
0-60mph / 97 kph in less than 4 seconds
Top Speed: 125mph / 200 kph (there is a electronic blockade in it.. it could technically go faster but It's not too healthy for the battery lifetime )
Range: 245 miles / 394 km
Very nice numbers indeed. Is it only made as a sportscar, or do they come in other versions? Whats the charging time for the batteries?

Btw, this is pretty interesting too: The MDI Air Car - The World´s Cleanest Car.
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I've seen cars in soap box derbies with more kick in them.
Thanks for insulting the danish car industry!

I suppose its well deserved after all...
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Very nice numbers indeed. Is it only made as a sportscar, or do they come in other versions? Whats the charging time for the batteries?

Btw, this is pretty interesting too: The MDI Air Car - The World´s Cleanest Car.
It's only made as a sportscar.
The chargeing time is about 3,5 hours... but as I mentioned, the battery system they use is rather improvisation than inovation. They used cross-connected notebook batteries
I put it here just to show that you can build other things than those soap boxes powered with electricity

It seems that last year there had been significant breakthroughs in battery and ultra capacitor technologies, which means that the developement and implimentation could happen sigificantly faster than expected.

All major car companies have been working on hydrogen-fuel cell cars for the last 2 decades... they focused on hydrogen, because batteries seemed like they would never have the neccessary performence.
Due to massive success of mobile technology this has changed significantly.

And since hydrogen cars are basicly a electric car with a fuelcell to generate the electricity... the car industry would only need to change the fuelcell & hydrogen tank with a battery/capacitor and they have finished concepts.
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Re: Electric car for the masses on the horizon?

Hearing about the events on the U.S.S. Bonefish (SS-582) and how they had to use a squeegee to get the dead guys out (from people that were on it) was enough to cool me to battery-powered cars for a good while. I didn't even want to own a battery-powered drill after hearing that shit.

Well, that and this : Electric Car of Tomorrow

Sorry, what would an electric car discussion be without that clip, eh?
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Re: Electric car for the masses on the horizon?

[quote=El_Zoido;1116852]I recently read this article about how german car makers increase their focus on electric cars since they are really pissed about Toyotas front-runner position on Hybrid cars.
(Especially since Daimler and Audi had it all figured out in the 90s but didn't go into mass production... it seems like a national sport to make no use of homegrown innovations in germany... )
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Note GM produced the EV1 a 100% electric car some years ago and then abandoned the project recovered all the vehicles and destroyed them. Thse who were among the hundreds given them to test drive were more than happy with their performance. see info on subject under google "General Motors EV1 - Wiki.. - capability of all-electric ZEV propulsion..... Type in Electric propulsion for your search. See also the movie EV1.

Additional searches will uncover user comments.

Som startling advances in batteries were also announced that might move thingd ahead in this area.

"Stanford Report, December 18, 2007
Stanford's nanowire battery holds 10 times the charge of existing ones

BY DAN STOBER

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Photos taken by a scanning electron microscope of silicon nanowires before (left) and after (right) absorbing lithium. Both photos were taken at the same magnification.
Stanford researchers have found a way to use silicon nanowires to reinvent the rechargeable lithium-ion batteries that power laptops, iPods, video cameras, cell phones, and countless other devices.

The new version, developed through research led by Yi Cui, assistant professor of materials science and engineering, produces 10 times the amount of electricity of existing lithium-ion, known as Li-ion, batteries. A laptop that now runs on battery for two hours could operate for 20 hours, a boon to ocean-hopping business travelers.

"It's not a small improvement," Cui said. "It's a revolutionary development."

The breakthrough is described in a paper, "High-performance lithium battery anodes using silicon nanowires," published online Dec. 16 in Nature Nanotechnology, written by Cui, his graduate chemistry student Candace Chan and five others.

The greatly expanded storage capacity could make Li-ion batteries attractive to electric car manufacturers. Cui suggested that they could also be used in homes or offices to store electricity generated by rooftop solar panels.

"Given the mature infrastructure behind silicon, this new technology can be pushed to real life quickly," Cui said.

The electrical storage capacity of a Li-ion battery is limited by how much lithium can be held in the battery's anode, which is typically made of carbon. Silicon has a much higher capacity than carbon, but also has a drawback.

Silicon placed in a battery swells as it absorbs positively charged lithium atoms during charging, then shrinks during use (i.e., when playing your iPod) as the lithium is drawn out of the silicon. This expand/shrink cycle typically causes the silicon (often in the form of particles or a thin film) to pulverize, degrading the performance of the battery.

Cui's battery gets around this problem with nanotechnology. The lithium is stored in a forest of tiny silicon nanowires, each with a diameter one-thousandth the thickness of a sheet of paper. The nanowires inflate four times their normal size as they soak up lithium. But, unlike other silicon shapes, they do not fracture.

Research on silicon in batteries began three decades ago. Chan explained: "The people kind of gave up on it because the capacity wasn't high enough and the cycle life wasn't good enough. And it was just because of the shape they were using. It was just too big, and they couldn't undergo the volume changes."

Then, along came silicon nanowires. "We just kind of put them together," Chan said.

For their experiments, Chan grew the nanowires on a stainless steel substrate, providing an excellent electrical connection. "It was a fantastic moment when Candace told me it was working," Cui said.

Cui said that a patent application has been filed. He is considering formation of a company or an agreement with a battery manufacturer. Manufacturing the nanowire batteries would require "one or two different steps, but the process can certainly be scaled up," he added. "It's a well understood process."

Also contributing to the paper in Nature Nanotechnology were Halin Peng and Robert A. Huggins of Materials Science and Engineering at Stanford, Gao Liu of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and Kevin McIlwrath and Xiao Feng Zhang of the electron microscope division of Hitachi High Technologies in Pleasanton, Calif."


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Sounds great BUT would we destroy the OIL and GAS industry to for electric cars ? Why did we really destroy the EV1 by shredding all the vehicles ?

IMO untill we suck the last drop of oil from the earth we will have no all electric cars (even "tho feasible !
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Re: Electric car for the masses on the horizon?

Re: Electric:

I still think Magnetic Propulsion will be the ultimate method of locomotion.
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Re: Electric car for the masses on the horizon?

I don't think that the car industry would car alot for the Oil industry IF a electric car looks like a profitable concept.

Especially since countries like Germany and Japan do have a strong car industry and no real oil industry... they have much stronger chemical and electricity cooperations...

I guess GM canceled it because they are in a terrible situation and deep in red numbers....


BTW, thanks for the information about the EV1
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