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Old 05-03-2008
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Re: French police deal blow to Microsoft

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Pirating games would be easy enough to stop. I've never understood why game vendors don't do it. Ship each software version with a unique USB key that contains an encrypted string allowing the game to run. The executable for the game reads the USB port and if it doesn't see the key or it sees the wrong key, it doesn't start. No registry hacking, no man-in-the-middle schemes, no fuss, no muss. In fact, my company is an OEM that sells expensive hardware/software setups, and this is what we use to enable/disable software features. If it didn't work, we'd potentially lose hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Edit: Well, I guess I do see it. It might put people off of buying the game in the first place. But, I wouldn't think it would put off as many users as it would save them in piracy.

They don’t do that because they want the key in house, it a marketing ploy ala valve- steam, they want your eyeballs on their site despite packet loss, lag etc...so they can keep you coming back and sell you more shit. I was a very involved gamer until valve pulled that crap.
I cannot run the game and simply reach out to a server for others without trafficking their site. It sux.
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Old 05-03-2008
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Re: French police deal blow to Microsoft

Interesting. My experience with Steam has been much different. It was a little rough at release, but now it keeps all my games updated and organized, facilitates in-game IM even for games that I didn't purchase through Steam, and I haven't seen any connection issues in years.
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Re: French police deal blow to Microsoft

I see a parallel to OS development in commercial airplanes.
If you look at a picture of an airplane from the first 50 years of aviation, you can usually guess with 10 years when it was first built.
There was tremendous development going from wooden airframes covered with canvas to metal airframes, streamlining to jet engines, and then even though there have still been improvements, the look of airplanes hasn't changed much in 50 years.
There are still 707s and DC-8s in service, heck the average B-52 is around 50 years old.
The point is you get to a point with a technology where the technology matures and there isn't a big demand for the next step.
The Concorde is now retired from service and the supersonic look never took off with commercial aviation.
At some point in time the OS will be fine, the processing speed will be fine and there just won't be the new applications that make your computer so slow you need to get a new one.
Microsoft monopolized the OS market when there weren't any Operating Systems in use, so they have dominated through a period of market expansion, but once the market gets saturated where does the revenue come from?

Each upgrade cycle is taking longer, I was replacing windows 3.1 machines with XP machines last year, those new machines could be around for 15-20 years, there just isn't the need to upgrade the technology to meet business requirements.
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Old 05-07-2008
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Re: French police deal blow to Microsoft

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What the doctor describes here isn't new. We used to call them dongles; they attached to the parallel port and were a real pain in the arse to support. Especially when stacked with other dongles and a printer or some other parallel port device. Plus they'd die in the arse regulary and have to be replaced - gee I wish we had USB when I had to support 3000 of those buggers! Anyway, I digress ...

Any software locking scheme can be cracked whether it uses an external hardware device or not. Most use hardware anyway by taking machine identification from places such as MAC address from ethernet controller. I just read that researchers have cracked audio CAPTCHA schemes with 80% success.

Dongles work well within a commercial environment (in my case engineering design software) not because they cant be cracked but because they represent a very expensive investment of the company enabling them to control their asset. (The same as any other encryption key scheme). The illegal dongle free software was always available through Asia but it was very rarely used by people in our target market. At one point we saw counterfeit dongles reaching our shores. We knew our market well and knew when a potential customer was doing the wrong thing. A bit of diplomacy and we soon had a sale out of them in those rare cases.

However if I went the dongle path for gaming software I'd be no better off (probably worse because of the support headache) as the pirates and their friends are the very people who would use the software.

So if your company sells a product to the demographic that likes to crack then sure you are probably losing money. If not then you are usually wasting your time. At one point we decided to try using no hardware referenced encryption and the sales chart continued to climb at the same satisfying steady pace. In the end we went MAC addresses and online registration for the very low support overhead.

If you sell a hardware/software combo then put the value in the hardware and open source the software. You'll find your customers discovering more uses for your hardware thus expanding the market for you.
Yeah, they call 'em dongles here too (at least the older guys do ). And, that's a good point about them crapping out. That does happen periodically - the most common problem is the internal clock going on the fritz. No big deal with our customer base - we just overnight another one - but that would certainly alienate casual users.

I think your point about open sourcing your software is valid to allow them to find uses for hardware, but it doesn't and can't really apply to my company. I probably shouldn't go into the reasons as I'd likely have to explain some proprietary stuff.

I still think that making the gaming software "unpiratable" in a general sense with it is feasible. Sure, a cracker with a few days/weeks on his hands will be able to get in, but he won't be able to allow other users to simply download a "cracked" copy of the game with the key search embedded in the binary files. Of course, there are even ways around this, but I think it would eliminate a lot of the people who use pirated software without knowing what they're doing.
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Way to go. You had it all right up until that point. "Getting this right with .NET" ?! omg
You would argue that they aren't? In the past, the biggest motivations to do web development with J2EE technologies were that J2EE was free and that Microsoft didn't really offer anything of substance. Now, Microsoft offers .NET express for free and leverages their VB API for web development.

If you want to develop in Java, you have to download the Java SDK, download a compatible JRE, make sure your users have a compatible JRE, download Eclipse, download Eclipse plugins, download a framework (Spring, Struts, etc), download more Eclipse plugins for the framework, configure Eclipse, download different JRE/SDK because you discover yours don't support your Eclipse, make your users get a new JRE, download Apache or Tomcat, download more plugins for Eclipse to be compatible with these servers, setup your project XML's, download Ant and its plugins for Eclipse, create an Ant Build script, write the javascript/html for "hello world" and then cross your fingers that it all goes right when you build the project and launch the web server. Then, you get to write all the manual code for reading from a text box.

If you want to develop in .NET, you download .NET Express, make sure you and your users are running the .NET runtime, and you're all set. If you want a text box, you simply drag and drop it, and the API takes care of generating all the business and GUI logic you have to write manually in Java.

The biggest reason that people opted to hassle with approach number 1 is that it was free where Microsoft wasn't. Now, Microsoft has a solid API and charges you nothing to develop, which severely undercuts the motivation to hassle with J2EE setup. Now, we're back to traditional *NIX vs Microsoft issues - do we want cross platform capability, do we want to bundle and distribute as an OEM, do we want to pay for OS, etc.

So, I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that they didn't score a major victory with .NET. They stopped hemorrhaging developers with its release. And, development technology dictates the rest of the brand adoption in the market.

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Microsoft's obsession w/proprietary technologies and/or ones built around its own OS will eventually lead to its downfall.
That's a Catch 22. It would, if they didn't dominate the market. But, if they didn't dominate the market, they wouldn't have the leverage or motivation to generate all that proprietary stuff. Open source stuff finds a niche in being flexible, but it's also hampered by it. Supporting X different kinds of hardware and OS API is X times harder and more time consuming than doing it for one. Which means, Microsoft cranks out shit X times faster and X times better, pound for pound.

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Ballmer: Yeah well I'm gonna bublrpgrplbb . . .erp. . .bubble. .
Uh, okie-dokie. I don't really go in for fan-boy shit. I'm in this to make money.
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Re: French police deal blow to Microsoft

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Tis a good thing Bill skipped out on time. The captain should not go down w/his old ship.
Wow...was that a shot at Jim Gray?

You never cease to amaze me at times Solletica....
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Ubuntu is not easier than Windows, in fact its the one Linux distro that doesn't like my soundcard as far as I can tell, I have to agree with Pram here, your basic computer user isn't going to want to bother with command line and no matter how much you make it feel like Windows or at least familiar enough that they don't run away screaming, command line will be waiting for you when something doesn't go right. Linux will only continue to be for those brave enough to explore new ground, and those who want the freedom of total control (That doesn't mean I don't like Linux, I think its a great low-cost alternative, of course this assumes that people are financially responsible in the first place). Me, I rather use a computer for what I'm going to use it for than waste all that time bending it to my will just to stick it to Microsoft. Anyway, I honestly believe that the only thing stopping Microsoft from loosing to anyone in the OS field is the reality that there is simply no viable choice for a replacement out there.

Linux? Too complicated for your average user, fun to play around with, but honestly I want to pay the latest games and want my hardware to be recognized. Tell me honestly that Linux can meet all those needs, and I'll switch in a heartbeat.
When you want to migrate to Linux, you have to be aware of a few things first:

- hardware compatibility, is my hardware going to be recognize by Linux? Play a CD Live, run Wubi under Windows, try it

If you hardware is fully compatible, Ubuntu is just a piece of cake, anyone can use it, when you buy a PC, a printer, just make sure it is fully compatible.

- Your use of it, If you just use Word some time to times, MSN, Skype, Internet, of course Ubuntu is just enough, (use programs that are cross-platform, so that you can easily migrate to MACOS or Linux)but if you want to use some specific programs, test them under WINE or keep a dual boot
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Re: French police deal blow to Microsoft

Awesome! I hadn't heard about this one. Very nice.

I use Linux personally, and I *despise* Microsoft. I haven't used anything Microsoft in many months. I use Kubuntu on my desktop and laptop, and RHEL on my web servers. My computers always seem to run so much better with Linux installed. Imagine that?
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