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Old 07-28-2009
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Re: Nature of the Big Bang

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I don't know but I'm off to Kenya.

For pizza

And ice cream.
Hmmm...seems you were the first one to bring it up in post #7, unless it was mentioned before in whatever thread this was broken off from.
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Thanks for your offered assistance. I know it started (in another area) being about God and all, but now we're really argueing something different. The lack of 100 % proof for this "big bang" theory.
Once again, as always happens when you try to talk about science, you really need to learn about the scientific process and what hypothesis, theory, law, proofs, testability and a whole plethora of other actual scientific and technological knowledge that don't understand either willingly or unwillingly.

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Re: Nature of the Big Bang

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Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle seems to rebut, if not that point, then certainly any hope that we will ever know exactly what those laws are.
??? From what I remember, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle has to do with how we cannot accurately measure the properties of light quanta. He was actually a bit off in his calculations, according to Richard Feynman. For example, we actually do have a better understanding of how electrons work and in calculating their positions in motion. We are only off literally by fractions of a fraction. Stating something cannot be known to the degree he had means Heisenberg was most likely stumped a bit. He was correct to a degree, though. However, I'm not sure how my explanation of cause and effect and forces of nature has anything to do precisely with the UP. If you'd like to discuss Space-Time and Quantum Mechanics, I would be pleased to do so.

I'd like to point out that approximate knowledge is still more productive than simply no knowledge at all.
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Hmmm...seems you were the first one to bring it up in post #7, unless it was mentioned before in whatever thread this was broken off from.
What ? Going to kenya ?

God the universe blah blah ?

If "God the universe blah blah" that's actually what caught my interest, so no, I didn't start into it.
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??? From what I remember, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle has to do with how we cannot accurately measure the properties of light quanta. He was actually a bit off in his calculations, according to Richard Feynman. For example, we actually do have a better understanding of how electrons work and in calculating their positions in motion. We are only off literally by fractions of a fraction. Stating something cannot be known to the degree he had means Heisenberg was most likely stumped a bit. He was correct to a degree, though. However, I'm not sure how my explanation of cause and effect and forces of nature has anything to do precisely with the UP. If you'd like to discuss Space-Time and Quantum Mechanics, I would be pleased to do so.

I'd like to point out that approximate knowledge is still more productive than simply no knowledge at all.

If we knew that we were off by a fraction of a fraction then we would have already calculated it, no?
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Re: Nature of the Big Bang

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If we knew that we were off by a fraction of a fraction then we would have already calculated it, no?
Not to mention that a fraction of a fraction is just another fraction (and that any and all numbers can be described as a fraction of a fraction).
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Hmmm...seems you were the first one to bring it up in post #7, unless it was mentioned before in whatever thread this was broken off from.
I beleive it was skynet claiming that there can be no God in how the universe is designed or something. As if skynet knows how it's designed

Atheists, in general assert there is no god, but to do this, they must themselves become omniscient to know this. They become God by denying God.

Same sh*& different day - rolls eyes -
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You're mentioning the right terms and people, but the explanations of the actual physics... yikes.

(For instance, stars and planets not "collapsing" on themselves is a structural issue - it is not because they're in the process of "expanding")
Space-Time is a "fabric-like" substance - which is the best way to describe what we really DON'T know about what it is made of. Scientists now are entertaining the possibility of dark matter and energy, graivtrons being the glue that holds it all together. However, these things are still undetectable with our current technology. I actually made a valid point concerning why a static universe is not probable. I remember reading about this experiment a long time ago: Take a piece of paper and a heavy marble [or something] and place it over a funnel. The paper obviously sinks to the bottom from the weight of the marble, which is gravity. Now, without the acceleration of matter in the universe, all the matter would collapse in on itself. Einstein even concluded in his err regarding a static universe, that gravity would cause a universe which was at steady state to contract.
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Not to mention that a fraction of a fraction is just another fraction (and that any and all numbers can be described as a fraction of a fraction).
There is no need for an Uncertainty Principle, since it is dealt with on such minuscule differences and interferences in the quantitative analysis. The Uncertainty Principle dealt with a "hypothetical" atomic microscope, which makes it more of a metaphysical concept if anything. Heisenberg had a point, but only to a degree.
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I know guys who got a lot of girls to screw them when they started talking about parallel universes!

Silly girls!
More of a big bang gal, eh?
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Re: Nature of the Big Bang

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I beleive it was skynet claiming that there can be no God in how the universe is designed or something. As if skynet knows how it's designed

Atheists, in general assert there is no god, but to do this, they must themselves become omniscient to know this. They become God by denying God.

Same sh*& different day - rolls eyes -
There really, really can't be a God. I'm sorry that you, like millions of others are made conditioned to think one exists. Intelligent Design does not fit in science. This is why many modern scientists are Atheists. That should tell you something.

I'm my own "God". I guess you are right to a point. You can call me egotistical for that if you wish.

I know a lot more about how the universe is designed than you do, so I suggest you take a seat, sir. You've already managed to fool yourself with that article.
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More of a big bang gal, eh?
Sexual innuendos hehehe
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Re: Nature of the Big Bang

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There is no need for an Uncertainty Principle, since it is dealt with on such minuscule differences and interferences in the quantitative analysis. The Uncertainty Principle dealt with a "hypothetical" atomic microscope, which makes it more of a metaphysical concept if anything. Heisenberg had a point, but only to a degree.
Please, stop trying to talk about physics. Please.

Please. Please.

Please.
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