What's it like over there in your universe?

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Read Richard Feynman. Please, please, please, please.

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Cool, thanks for the clarification.

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I stand by my statement that no one here really knows anything about this. You have read about it or you studied it but you aren't anywhere near the level of understanding it like the people who are actually working on it, in the present. Your ability to communicate on this forum shows otherwise. Unless you smell funny because you don't know proper hygiene while driving a BMW you don't fit the mold. Do you drag your hand along the wall of a hallway while you are walking? Are you staring at your shoes? I've met people who are actually smart enough to work on this and no one on here fits. You're like someone playing with leggos and thinking you understand what it is to be an industrial engineer.

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As an impartial observer to this tortured discussion:

(1) This thread has officially pitched off into the direction of ludicrous when an avowed atheist begins describing how the universe is "designed".

(2) The statement that you know more about physics principles than Captain Trips is a rather dubious one. I'll grant you that you seem to know the names of more physicists than he does, but that's about it.

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I agree, Skynet, it's not what you think you know, it's what isn't possible to know (at this point in time) that is taking credit away from your posts.

Actually, if my Poly Sci major ends up boring, I am actually going to earn an Astronomy major and work toward an internship at NASA when I get my masters - possibly a doctorate, considering I have read A LOT about it and know more than the common person. I'm ahead of the game, thus far. I actually do drag my hand along hallways and stare at my shoes sometimes, now that I think about it. I also still play with Legos.

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Heh.

You're using your own infantile stereotyping of people who are good at math as evidence of some kind of conclusion. That's sound reasoning.

I've taken ungergraduate and graduate level courses revolving around the kind of math that, in your estimation, somehow prevents people from typing, talking or using computers. If you're interested, for every one that wears the same clothes for six days, there is one who comes to class in smart casual, one who fits more the mold of spacy contemplator, one who is aggressive and bullying, and even the occasional fellow with perfectly functional social skills.

Learning about Fourier transforms does not automatically make someone into Steve Urkel, whatever you might have learned from watching bad cable television and cartoons notwithstanding.

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Well, that's part of it. The other part is that it's entirely possible to know that calling Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle "unnecessary" because it only relates to really small things is jaw-droppingly, mind-numbingly absurd (since it specifically addresses quantum mechanics and things like electrons tend to be, you know, kinda small).

It's like saying "it's not really that important what medicine you give to a sick person - look how small those pills are."

Edit: Your post does address an interesting issue though (the "unknowable" - especially in the gray area where theoretical math becomes theoretical physics)

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Dark matter isn't even something that is proven, right? It's just a theory, is it not. Isn't the very idea/theory about it make it undetectable by us? As in, there is no way or us to prove it exists?

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Uh oh, do you smell funny too?

I dunno, you seem too well socially adjusted to me (which is a good thing). I'm not saying that you don't know more than the average joe. All I'm saying is that I don't think anyone on this board is on the cutting edge of anything.

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It's a hypothesis (it doesn't rise to the level of theory). Basically, some of the mathematics behind universe descriptors doesn't work out, meaning that there is some extraneous factor not being accounted for. So, dark matter is really more like a place-holder so that the math works out. It will stand in until they identify its nature or the cause for the discrepancies. However, its existence could certainly be proven via observation or identification, though it's likely that it won't work out exactly as hypothesized.

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Do you really want to get into an argument of metaphysics or epistemology? You seem to have misinterpreted my cause. In the past few posts, I have been discussing what we know about the universe THUS FAR and what we potentially know. There is no evidence that intelligent design is at play here. We just label things as intelligent for what we don't know about the intricacies and order of the universe. Everything in the universe acts upon unconscious instinct, which actually makes things quite simple. We only confuse ourselves with a facade of reasoning by giving "intelligence" to unification and simultaneous function, when it is all simply a matter of cause and effect.

Uhhhhhhh that is a CLEAR negative, sir.

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I'm actually quite introverted in person - a loner if you will. Anonymity grants me the ability to interact with others much easier.

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Once again, please read Richard Feynman.

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