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Re: Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"(?)

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I know that. From a common ancestor who shared traits of both chimps and humans.
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Re: Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"(?)

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Out Lucy, in Ardi..I mean what the frig kind of name is "Ardi"?...for god sakes.

I all seriousness, this intrigues me, so why is Ardi the new missing link if he she is so different as to each?

"It shows that the last common ancestor with chimps didn't look like a chimp, or a human, or some funny thing in between.

Uhm what?

This is actually a million years before lucy. And displays an unexpected mix of advanced characteristics;

Ardi instead shows an unexpected mix of advanced characteristics and of primitive traits seen in much older apes that were unlike chimps or gorillas (interactive: Ardi's key features). As such, the skeleton offers a window on what the last common ancestor of humans and living apes might have been like.


So we regressed(?), as Lucy is more primitive or because they have totally thrown out that modeling ,it appears so and this, is a Biggey. I mean there goes 150 years of research;

The fossil puts to rest the notion, popular since Darwin's time, that a chimpanzee-like missing link—resembling something between humans and today's apes—would eventually be found at the root of the human family tree. Indeed, the new evidence suggests that the study of chimpanzee anatomy and behavior—long used to infer the nature of the earliest human ancestors—is largely irrelevant to understanding our beginnings.


Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"
Cool find. Darwinism has evolved since Darwin's time as much as man did in 10 million years. Go back far enough tho and we all came from a slimy pool of oooz.
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Re: Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"(?)

my favorite threads on uspol have got to be the anti-evolution threads.
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my favorite threads on uspol have got to be the anti-evolution threads.
not me, that sort of ignorance makes me nauseous.
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not me, that sort of ignorance makes me nauseous.
Which sort is that ?

I guess it depends on what you believe doesn't it
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Re: Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"(?)

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Neither of them are a 'missing link'... merely just stages in human evolution.

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yes and as I said then pretty much what has passed for theory as to our ascendancy and descendency has to be rediscovered or re-theorized? That’s a lot of water under the bridge.

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Which sort is that ?

I guess it depends on what you believe doesn't it
It's actually that by and large, most people who don't believe in evolution also don't understand evolutionary theory for beans.

It's like an atheist saying that he doesn't believe in the Krishna and Shiva when arguing with a Christian about whether or not God exists.
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yes and as I said then pretty much what has passed for theory as to our ascendancy and descendency has to be rediscovered or re-theorized? That’s a lot of water under the bridge.
That's why they call it theory, because it is understood that it can change with new facts. This just sheds light on an area where there was a lot of theory and very little evidence, now there is a lot more evidence so the theory will fill in around it.
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Which sort is that ?

I guess it depends on what you believe doesn't it
People who don't (or choose not to) understand evolution theory, choose to believe mythical stories told by men ages ago.

You can understand evolution and have faith at the same time by reasoning with interpretation. e.g. God made earth in seven days right? well if seven days for us is seven weeks for a dog, maybe seven billion years for us is seven days to God. We just would't be able to understand this four thousand years ago.

they say God made woman from Adam’s rib or some nonsense like that. Why is it such a stretch that that description is really our inability to understand more complex or detailed explanations thousands of years ago, like evolution or how DNA works.

Why is it a stretch that evolution is the tool God used to make man? however poorly or inaccurately we tried to understand that many thousands of years ago? I believe the closer we come to understanding the facts about science and ourselves, the closer we come to understanding God.
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If humens evolveded from monkies how com there r still monkies!?!?!!?!!??!?!!!
From apes, not monkeys. Species do not all transform from one to another either. All the members of species A do not wake up one morning and decide "okay fellas time to be species B".
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That's why they call it theory, because it is understood that it can change with new facts. This just sheds light on an area where there was a lot of theory and very little evidence, now there is a lot more evidence so the theory will fill in around it.
No, that is not why it's called a theory. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon hypotheses and verifications.
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Re: Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"(?)

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From apes, not monkeys. Species do not all transform from one to another either. All the members of species A do not wake up one morning and decide "okay fellas time to be species B".

Kind of a losing battle then. What I assume we had hoped to find in any and designate a missing link would be a mutated half ape- half man, or as close to one as we could discern where in one could clearly state, here ya go its just enough ape to mark our progeny and just enough of man we have come to understand as such and here we are.
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Kind of a losing battle then. What I assume we had hoped to find in any and designate a missing link would be a mutated half ape- half man, or as close to one as we could discern where in one could clearly state, here ya go its just enough ape to mark our progeny and just enough of man we have come to understand as such and here we are.
What losing battle? The evidence that there were more animals on earth then there are now (evidently from different eras) and some of them may be related to us doesn't strike me as a losing battle.

Australopithecus (Lucy and her kin) is so close to ape it's an ape-man. Ardipithecus ramidus (Ardi) is more information another progenitor or contemporary proto-human species. Evolution doesn't walk down just one road. If Ardi isn't an ancestor it shows evidence of evolutionary pressures bringing similar species into existence. If Ardi is an ancestor the family tree has gotten a lot more data to work with. It's a winning battle.
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Re: Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"(?)

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From apes, not monkeys. Species do not all transform from one to another either. All the members of species A do not wake up one morning and decide "okay fellas time to be species B".
I believe he was makin' a funny.
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yes and as I said then pretty much what has passed for theory as to our ascendancy and descendency has to be rediscovered or re-theorized? That’s a lot of water under the bridge.
I'm not sure what would have to be re-theorized. Darwin himself suggested apes and monkeys and humans probably descended from a common ancestor. 100 years later it was proven that chimps and humans share 99% of their DNA code (indicating chimps and humans diverged from a common line more recently, and apes diverged further back in time).

There were lots of other branches from that tree, including CroMagnon, Neanderthal, Homo Habilis, Homo Erectus, etc. (<--- going from memory so its possible information on these has changed)

150 years after Darwin, the recent skeleton that is the topic of this post is a likely candidate for that common ancestor between chimps and humans, possibly even apes.
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