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Old 08-07-2007
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Re: New States?

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It seems like the area most likely to become a state would be Puerto Rico. However, there are a lot of Puerto Ricans who would rather be the Country of Puerto Rico rather than the fifty-first state. I also think that there is some economic issue that would change if they became a state? Something about tax revenue compared to tax use? I can't remember, and may be off base, but for some reason I thought that Puerto Rico (despite not being represented) is in a rather cushy posish.
IIRC they've turned down statehood a couple of times...
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1) American should be capitalized - no, this isnt a case of the grammar or spelling police. Not capitalizing it is disrespectful.
If you look through my other posts you'll see that I dont capitalize european, dutch, or iraqi either. This has nothing to do with respect but I think it is nicer to read. I'm not writing an official report here. I think the most important thing is that people should know what correct grammar is. If you have any comments on my grammar you can point those out.

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2) Yes, American states most certainly ARE sovereign, and yes, they can choose to leave. That question has not legally been settled.
Then why was there a civil war?

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We are comparing the expansion of both. the nature of the organization matters.
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Re: New States?

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As far as dividing electoral votes, we actually turned down that referendum (amendment?) in '04. Honestly, I don't know that we'd have seen much impact either way; nobody pays much attention to us here.

Unless they want to go skiing of course.
BTW, kudos to for actually decoding something out of the piece of junk Texas calls a constitution. It's been amended 400+ times and is difficult, at best, to actully read. I haven't even bother to ever read it. I figure if something has been amended over 400 times it's poorly written and probably contradicts itself a few times. The Alabama constitution has been amended almost 800 times

I may start a thread in State and Local politics based on this too much power idea since I have carried this thread horribly off topic
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If you look through my other posts you'll see that I dont capitalize european, dutch, or iraqi either. This has nothing to do with respect but I think it is nicer to read. I'm not writing an official report here. I think the most important thing is that people should know what correct grammar is. If you have any comments on my grammar you can point those out.
Okay. In English, it is grammatically proper to capitalize proper nouns. That includes "european, dutch, or iraqi" [sic].

It is not just a point of respect, it is a point of proper grammar.
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Old 08-07-2007
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IIRC they've turned down statehood a couple of times...
Yes, but barely so. The last referendum in the 1990s was 48% for statehood. Puerto Rico would be the closest chance to being a state in my view, but I would be concerned about it being admitted by a bare majority approval. Having a large (over 40%) dissent on statehood could be problematic.
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. . . BTW, did you know Texas is the state to gain statehood via treaty. We were not bought nor won. We were a country who said, "Hey, we wanna be a state"
There was another one--Vermont.

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You know how we often tongue-in-cheek refer to Canada as the 51st state?

It's because with increasing globalization, borders are becoming less and less relevant. That is the main reason that I doubt anybody will be joining the USA anytime soon: it wouldn't make any difference.

Similarly, it wouldn't make much of an economic difference to any state seceding, so why bother?
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As for States by treaty, what about Louisiana?

Sorry - edited to add it was purchased.
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Oh, believe me. We Coloradans have a special place in our hearts for Texas.
I have met some of the most podunk Colorado hill-billies who suddenly put on the airs of a Manhatten snob when they realized I was from Texas.

I recall these words from a guy who drove a snow plow for a living after he asked me where I was from: "Houston?....you mean Texas?....oh we hate them....."

Yeah...real charming.
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I have met some of the most podunk Colorado hill-billies who suddenly put on the airs of a Manhatten snob when they realized I was from Texas.

I recall these words from a guy who drove a snow plow for a living after he asked me where I was from: "Houston?....you mean Texas?....oh we hate them....."

Yeah...real charming.
Yeah, well, we have our reasons.

Something about fleets of oversized trucks towing monstrous RVs through the mountains, haphazardly crossing lanes and tearing up the countryside.

Can't go camping any more without some idiot with Texas plates cranking up the generator on his RV so he can watch satellite TV.

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The problem with both California and Texas is that they wield way too much power in the political process (Florida is getting that way, too). And, since they both have provisions in their constitutions for divisions, IMHO it's time to divide them up to reduce their disproportionate power.

Of course, it may just be bitterness on my part. I'm willing to admit that.

Of course, you would then have to deal with six Texas US Senators and four Californian US Senators...
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Okay. In English, it is grammatically proper to capitalize proper nouns. That includes "european, dutch, or iraqi" [sic].

It is not just a point of respect, it is a point of proper grammar.
I have heard this example (somewhat offensive language, therefore put in white text): 'Capitalization is the difference between: "I had to help my uncle Jack off a horse", and: "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse". '
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Of course, you would then have to deal with six Texas US Senators and four Californian US Senators...
They would not all, however, necessarily behave in the same manner as the standard Texas or Ohio Senator.
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BTW, did you know Texas is the state to gain statehood via treaty. We were not bought nor won. We were a country who said, "Hey, we wanna be a state"
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