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Old 09-02-2007
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Re: Unconstitutional amount of power?

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It depends...

From the US Constitution, Article 4, Section 3:
"no new state shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislature of the states concerned, as well as of the congress."

So, technically, if the state legislature(s) and Congress approve, then its allowed. The creation of West Virginia during the Civil War is an interesting example of this kind of thing.
Massachusetts is a better example. It was divided in 1820, when Maine became a separate State.
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...50 is such a nice round number for states and having exactly 100 Senators makes the political math much easier for folks like me
...on the other hand, if we decide to break up Texas and California we could always compensate by squeezing together some of those little states in New England...
The States in New England are not very small, population wise, with the exception of Vermont. The areas of Rhode Island and Connecticut may be the smallest and third smallest, respecitively, but they have larger populations than many other States. Connecticut is the 29th largest, Rhode Island the 43rd, out of 50. (The State with the second smallest territory is Delaware, which has the 45th largest population.)
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Old 10-18-2007
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Re: Unconstitutional amount of power?

There is no such thing as a state "wielding too much power" so long as it is within their State constitution and the Federal Constitution.

It may piss people off who don't like it, but too bad...that is part of the deal that made and keeps America a Republic made up of independent states.

This isn't "mob rule" or "One state of 50 provinces under federal law."



So the electoral system sucks. It always will, regardless of what is done, short of it being abolished for a strict "popular vote."

20+ million illegals here voting for the party that hands them their free food and free medical care and discounted education/college fees? Of course it effects the outcome and is beyond what is fair, never mind what is LEGAL.
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Re: Unconstitutional amount of power?

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XIV Amendment
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Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Does this say that illegal immigrants shouldn't be counted for purposes of representation?
It says you count the persons (and illegal aliens are persons), and the reduction is based on citizens denied the vote.

Obviously, illegal aliens aren't citizens denied the vote, so no reduction takes place.
It seems to me that Persons get represented, regardless of immigration status or citizenship.
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Does this say that illegal immigrants shouldn't be counted for purposes of representation?
It says you count the persons (and illegal aliens are persons), and the reduction is based on citizens denied the vote.

Obviously, illegal aliens aren't citizens denied the vote, so no reduction takes place.
It seems to me that Persons get represented, regardless of immigration status or citizenship.
I believe you are right, especially since there is a provision that excludes "Indians not taxed". Thus, the rest of the humans must be included. The question is, then, how you could reasonably count illegal aliens. Most of them would not want to participate in a census, would they?

I know of no legal precedent addressing this issue.
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