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Old 10-19-2007
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I am not sure why a seasoned politician and natural born citizen of the US was voted out of office. The bureaucracy seemed to work much better under Davis, than our current Republican incumbent who vowed to clean out the interest of special interest in our glorious state.
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Re: California Politics

Gray Davis was a piece of shit, and needed to go...
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Re: California Politics

He was a seasoned politician who's only fault was to not have the Corp of Engineers construct a power grid to tie in to the Mexican power grid during the deregulation fiasco. We could have had lower power rates and no rolling blackouts.
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He was a seasoned politician who's only fault was to not have the Corp of Engineers construct a power grid to tie in to the Mexican power grid during the deregulation fiasco. We could have had lower power rates and no rolling blackouts.
We could've, but we didn't. Our power rates went up, and we had rolling blackouts.

Gray Davis was recalled for that one reason alone. The one thing Californians were most concerned about is the one thing he completely fucked up.

There was no reason to keep him in office...
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We could've, but we didn't. Our power rates went up, and we had rolling blackouts.

Gray Davis was recalled for that one reason alone. The one thing Californians were most concerned about is the one thing he completely fucked up.

There was no reason to keep him in office...
Why hasn't that same tactic been applied to our Republican politicians?

How much more efficient is the bureaucracy in the state of California now, than it was under Davis?

At least, Davis was starting to get the idea of sounder economic principles before he was voted out. None of the Republican governors have any idea of what sound economic policies are, or are simply towing the federally (federales) line without having to produce any positive results for our tax dollars.

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Governor Schwarzenegger was elected, in part, on the notion that Governor Davis improperly handled the energy deregulation crisis of 2000 and 2001. However, Arnold is proposing the same deregulation agenda that got California into the energy crisis in the first place. This shouldn't come as a surprise, as Arnold's lead advisor has been former Governor Pete Wilson who negotiated and signed the disastrous deregulation plan in 1996. And, of course, Arnold met privately with deregulation guru and well-known corporate crook, Ken Lay, during the energy crisis.
Source: ArnoldWatch.Org: Energy
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Why hasn't that same tactic been applied to our Republican politicians?

How much more efficient is the bureaucracy in the state of California now, than it was under Davis?

At least, Davis was starting to get the idea of sounder economic principles before he was voted out. None of the Republican governors have any idea of what sound economic policies are, or are simply towing the federally (federales) line without having to produce any positive results for our tax dollars.
Perhaps you missed this part of my post: Gray Davis was recalled for that one reason alone.

That he was "starting to get the idea of sounder economic principles before he was voted out" is of no consequence. The guy fucked up the State for four years and, finally, the voters of California had decided enough was enough when our utility rates went through the roof...
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Re: California Politics

Arnold is no Republican.
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Perhaps you missed this part of my post: Gray Davis was recalled for that one reason alone.

That he was "starting to get the idea of sounder economic principles before he was voted out" is of no consequence. The guy fucked up the State for four years and, finally, the voters of California had decided enough was enough when our utility rates went through the roof...
In other words, they left Davis holding the bag for unsound deregulation policy.

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This shouldn't come as a surprise, as Arnold's lead advisor has been former Governor Pete Wilson who negotiated and signed the disastrous deregulation plan in 1996.
I am not overly impressed with the economic upturn in California during Wilson's tenure, since it was due mainly to national economic policies by the party of massive surpluses.
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Arnold is no Republican.
He tows the line. He's a Republican.
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In other words, they left Davis holding the bag for unsound deregulation policy.
Whether it was sound or unsound would be a debate for another thread.

The fact remains that, quite clearly, California voters had had enough of Gray Davis. He was the Head-Mother-Fucker-What's-In-Charge, and he didn't do what was necessary to satisfy Californians.

That cannot be disputed...
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What cannot be disputed is that the fallacy of argumentum ad populum works, even with large populaces.
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What cannot be disputed is that the fallacy of argumentum ad populum works, even with large populaces.
What cannot be disputed is that you're boring to talk to about California politics.

Argumentum ad populum isn't a factor here. it's not what people believed that got Gray Davis the axe, it's what people saw on their electric bills. He was in a position to do something about it, and he fucked it up.

But, if throwing out snappy Latin phrases makes you feel smart, knock yourself out...
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Re: California Politics

California experienced rolling blackouts under our current governor, and still has higher retail energy prices than we did under Davis.

Why hasn't there been a recall if that was the specific reason our previous governor was recalled?
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Re: California Politics

In diffidence to steve who also lives in the wanna be socialist workers paradise of Kalifornia like I do, davis was also exposed as a rank dunce....he was buying civil union sppt. by signing outrageous pension contracts for prison guards fire dept, police and other civil servant employees. While I applaud all of these vocations and would not want their jobs, allowing them to retire at 55 with FULL pension is a prescription for disaster, that plus the deregulation etc. of the state power agencies etc.......parts of Santa clara valley took the hard road several years ago, bought out there crappy contracts and now pay approx. $30.00.....I am in san Jose and take the pipe. for over $225.00 monthly....as the idiots that run my neck of the woods due to deregulation signed themselves into a corner...and of course the eco nuts will not allow us to build a power station either....


daniel...I have not had a black out in 3 years.....
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Old 10-22-2007
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I have a hard time believing Steve would have a problem paying people to do nothing after 20 or 30 years of public service. In one sense, it would simply be rewarding public servants by ensuring better conditions for term limits.

Having a complete evolution in the public sector every 20 to 30 years can be considered a good thing, from a democracy point of view.

How does that compare and contrast with having your wealthy "al qaeda" good olde boy network colluding to get less competitive bids at Uncle Sam's (and his "socialized" tax paying relative's ) expense?

How many high tech, high paying jobs have the Republicans manufactured? They currently seem to only encourage low tech, low paying jobs whenever they are in office.
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