Exactly. It shouldn't be, in any case. Voter fraud hurts all of us.

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I suppose it all boils down to who you voted for.

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Not sure if you were being serious with this comment, but I would have to disagree with you.

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I was serious. Can you see a Bush supporter crying foul when his candidate won?

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Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Actually, yes. I don't think that being patriotic and desiring free and fair elections is a partisan thing.

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I think showing photo ID would eliminate a lot of fraud. I see a lot of liberals are so totally against it but I can see no logica reason a person wouldnt be able to get a photo id.

I was responding to post #11 and the line "I am sure that if a democrat wins the presidency we will not hear a peep about voter fraud but if a republican we will hear all kinds of accusations of voter fraud."

I'm assuming the poster is a Republican as the statement was so one-sided.

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Because it constitutes a poll tax.

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

I guess I meant .....why would someone not already have a photo id?......You need it for everything, even if you dont drive. How do you get on a plane, how do you take money out of your bank account etc.

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[Devils Advocate] If they don't want to put out for a photo ID, chances are that they aren't flying, and may very well not have a bank account.

Voting is a right. It is also our right not to have a photo ID. Rights shouldn't be mutually exclusive.

[/DA]

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not if as in Atlanta’s case they will come to your domicile and provide it for free.....which I think all states should undertake...I have a suspicion, that the SC will rule in favor of the states, that is those that have enacted legislation to require photo ID.......

and if we are addressing the disadvantaged, poor etc.....then, it should be noted that those who receive any time type of government check, state or federal should be showing an ID when they cash them, OR have a bank account in which they are deposited again, in which they need an ID , to open. I believe, that a photo id with another piece of identification ala SS card are required to open a bank account, If I am wrong, then I presume that loophole will be and should be closed as well.

Blockbuster won't even open an account without a picture ID in my area....I find this juxtaposition laughable.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

true, but then folks who decide to go without, should not complain of "rights" lost....

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


Mortgage Backed Security survivor

Fascinating to me how people who will complain about government intrusion into their lives will instantly flip when it comes to this issue.

Why don't we just require everyone to have their papers at all times, and make it a criminal offense to not be carrying a government-issued, bio-detailed, holographic ID?


Edit: Also, why is voting as a right in quotations?

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How is this government intrusion? We have a right to know who is voting in our elections. I suspect that what most who are against it wont say is...that the ones who dont have govt photo id are probably illegal.

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And other than your opinion, do you have any facts to back that up?

Any at all?

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
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