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Old 01-17-2008
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Re: Electronic voting machines not secure

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And other than your opinion, do you have any facts to back that up?

Any at all?
Nope, just my opinion.
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Nope, just my opinion.
Well, personally I take issue with the government taking away people's rights based on your opinion.

No offense.
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Well, personally I take issue with the government taking away people's rights based on your opinion.

No offense.
How is the govt taking away anyones rights? It is our *right* to know that who is voting in our elections, are legal citizens. Not dead people, not illegal alliens, not someones friend.etc
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How is the govt taking away anyones rights? It is our *right* to know that who is voting in our elections, are legal citizens. Not dead people, not illegal alliens, not someones friend.etc
Because the requirement to have government ID creates a poll tax.
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Because the requirement to have government ID creates a poll tax.
I know you said that before, but I dont get it. You dont want to know whos voting in your elections?
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Re: Electronic voting machines not secure

Doesn't matter if I want to know or not. It's illegal to require the voter to pay to exercise their right to vote.
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Old 01-21-2008
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Re: Electronic voting machines not secure

I used an e-voting machine to vote at the last federal elections here last November. They were installed at locations dotted around Australia for use by people who were blind or had low vision.

The machine enabled me to vote without assistance for the first time in my life. It was easy to use and fully accessible. After selecting the candidates I wanted in the two ballots (House of Representatives and Senate), the machine read back my selection so I could verify and confirm my vote. Then I was able to print the ballot papers, with my vote encrypted in a bar code, and place the papers in a voting envelope.

I took part in a number of trials of the machines in the months preceding the elections. They did not use a touch screen. Data entry was via a numeric key pad.

The machines had been used in various state elections since 2001, but this was the first official test run at a federal election.

From what I have read, Australia is leading the way in e-voting technology. The machines use an open source program.

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Old 01-22-2008
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Re: Electronic voting machines not secure

It doesn't just happen in America...the Scottish elections were disastrous last year. You may think the actual system used for voting is fairly unimportant but...
It has been suggested that this shambles is how the Scottish Nationalist Party leader was voted into power...by default.
This will cause long-term political fallout as he is using his position to forward the cause of separation of the U.K. union by every means available to him. His policies are impacting and support for separation is growing as a direct result.
The importance of an accurate system is not just key to the process, it can have much wider effects.
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Old 01-24-2008
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Re: Electronic voting machines not secure

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I was responding to post #11 and the line "I am sure that if a democrat wins the presidency we will not hear a peep about voter fraud but if a republican we will hear all kinds of accusations of voter fraud."

I'm assuming the poster is a Republican as the statement was so one-sided.
Or maybe they just saw that whore Jesse Jackson on Hannity and Colmbs the evening before the 2004 election, going on and on about how they were ready to go to court over the disenfranchisement of voters (which he was arguing had ALREADY occured and was a matter of fact for the following days election already) if Bush won....Hannity asked if he would pursue it if Kerry won, to which that principled defender of making sure everyone's vote counts said "....No...."
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Re: Electronic voting machines not secure

I rather doubt the audience of "Hannity and Colmes" is top heavy with people upset that Bush won, so I don't think old Jesse had much of an impact there.
And the voter fraud issue started with the 2000 election, not 2004.
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I rather doubt the audience of "Hannity and Colmes" is top heavy with people upset that Bush won, so I don't think old Jesse had much of an impact there.
And the voter fraud issue started with the 2000 election, not 2004.
The "issue" may have, but that is all it is, an "issue", I sincerely doubt voter fraud has ever effected the outcome of an presidential election.

And for the record, just on the basis of reconcilling exit polling, pre-election polling averages, and actual vote tallies, the Clinton win in New Hampshire is FAR more suspicious in terms of "vote fraud" or a "stolen" race than either 2000 or 2004.
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The "issue" may have, but that is all it is, an "issue", I sincerely doubt voter fraud has ever effected the outcome of an presidential election.
Which is irrelevant when discussing whether or not we should do our best to eradicate it.
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Which is irrelevant when discussing whether or not we should do our best to eradicate it.
Whether or not something is actually a real problem is irrelevant to whether we should devote time, engergy, and resources to deal with it? Spoken like a true leftwinger with no sense of responsibility for other people's hard earned tax dollar!
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Re: Electronic voting machines not secure

Are you denying that voter fraud exists, or questioning whether it tipped the balance in a national election?
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Are you denying that voter fraud exists, or questioning whether it tipped the balance in a national election?
No, I am saying that by and large voter fraud has very little real impact on the outcome of most elections, save for those that are so close, and the fraud so obvious that we are probably already catchting it in such instances.

By the way, how do you feel about requiring state issued identification (and only issued to legal residents) to ensure the integrity of the vote?
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