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Re: Electronic voting machines not secure

If you received an identification card on registering, I don't see a problem with that.
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The "issue" may have, but that is all it is, an "issue", I sincerely doubt voter fraud has ever effected the outcome of an presidential election.
It may not have, but with the hundreds of millions in campaign contributions, the army of lobbyists in D.C. and the ever-present potential of politicians to want to do anything to be elected, the likelihood is not far-fetched at all.
Who knows, if the head of Diebold had kept his big mouth shut and the 2000 clincher hadn't been in the state Bush's brother headed, there may not have been such an outcry. There are always suspicions, but recent elections have surely fanned those flames to the point where we should worry about it.
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And for the record, just on the basis of reconcilling exit polling, pre-election polling averages, and actual vote tallies, the Clinton win in New Hampshire is FAR more suspicious in terms of "vote fraud" or a "stolen" race than either 2000 or 2004.
So what? It's a primary, and not the presidential election. If Clinton or anyone else used fraud to gain the presidency, they should be nailed for it.
Personally, I suspect BOTH parties are equally capable of election fraud.
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It may not have, but with the hundreds of millions in campaign contributions, the army of lobbyists in D.C. and the ever-present potential of politicians to want to do anything to be elected, the likelihood is not far-fetched at all.
Nonesense, that has always been the case, and yet it simply doesn't happen.

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Who knows, if the head of Diebold had kept his big mouth shut and the 2000 clincher hadn't been in the state Bush's brother headed, there may not have been such an outcry. There are always suspicions, but recent elections have surely fanned those flames to the point where we should worry about it.
Actually, it was democrats who demanded spending millions of dollars to put all those fancy electronic voting machines in after a bunch of democratic voters, in precincts and counties controlled by democrats managed to totally fuck up what is an otherwise eash low-tech punchcard system. Go figure!

What has fanned the flames wasn't the details of the recent elections, but the CLOSENESS of it, coupled with a small yet LOUD group of quite frankly paranoid people out there.

I bet if you were to cross reference people who believe in the following:

1. Illuminat global domination
2. Fort Knox is EMPTY with NO gold remaining it it
3. Kennedy Assasination Conspiracy Theories
4. Area 51 alien coverups
5. 9/11 an inside job by our government
6. Massive vote fraud and "stolen" elections in 2000 and 2004

You would find a statistically significant overlap in those groups.
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That's funny, I only believe .5 of those.
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That's funny, I only believe .5 of those.
Why am I not surprised! But I bet you believe in free healthcare to!
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Don't be silly. There's no such thing as free anything.
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Nonesense, that has always been the case, and yet it simply doesn't happen.
That you know of.
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Actually, it was democrats who demanded spending millions of dollars to put all those fancy electronic voting machines in after a bunch of democratic voters, in precincts and counties controlled by democrats managed to totally fuck up what is an otherwise eash low-tech punchcard system. Go figure!
I'm thinking it was more like Democrats complaining about them in Republican areas and vice versa.
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What has fanned the flames wasn't the details of the recent elections, but the CLOSENESS of it, coupled with a small yet LOUD group of quite frankly paranoid people out there.
Paranoid in your opinion. In light of the stories about lack of security and other defects in these machines, I will disagree. Legitimate concern doesn't equal paranoia.
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I bet if you were to cross reference people who believe in the following:

1. Illuminat global domination
2. Fort Knox is EMPTY with NO gold remaining it it
3. Kennedy Assasination Conspiracy Theories
4. Area 51 alien coverups
5. 9/11 an inside job by our government
6. Massive vote fraud and "stolen" elections in 2000 and 2004

You would find a statistically significant overlap in those groups.
Interesting, and it also has nothing to do with voting machines and election fraud.
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