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Too bad we do not have any private schools around here that are not religious schools. I'm not sure what the hell I would do. I would definitely be giving the ACLU a call.
All your local schools are parochial? I'd probably move or else transfer to freelance programming work and spend some time homeschooling them, either instead of public school or to supplement (counteract) it.

Public school functions as many things: babysitting service, ostensible education on "basics" of life, training for basic skills needed to work, and, if there's any time, a touch of critical thinking. I'm inclined to be leery of public school in the first place, mainly as a waste of time and intellectual stimulation (gifted children are generally put in the corner with an 'enrichment' book and ignored while the dullards receive all of the attention to keep low test scores up). I'm not sure whether or not I'm interested in having children in the first place, and would only do it if I felt willing to go to fairly elaborate lengths to make sure they wouldn't suffer through the same unendurable boredom that I did in public school (and my public school system was rated as being among the best in the country).
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What is truly funny is that I grew up believing that God created everything and gee, somehow, in my 47 years, it has never hurt me!
That belief doesn't have anything, per se, to do with science or the teaching of science.
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Did you know that it's still the theory of gravity as well? What should we do about that? We can't actually detect gravity but only base our knowledge of it's effects on matter.
Aaaa yea, that’s what we’ve been battling these Nam era moonbats for so long about.
Biology is tangible, if a “theory or guess is added” it should be labeled as such. Gravity is a theory yes, it may never be proven as to what it is verses knowing what it seems to do.

When the theory of evolution was allowed, it was allowed as theory due to the matter being unsettled and conclusions questionable and one sided.
Once it’s conclusive it is no longer challengeable in the scientific community and evolution never reached that point by science, it was bitched in…
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Aaaa yea, that’s what we’ve been battling these Nam era moonbats for so long about.
Biology is tangible, if a “theory or guess is added” it should be labeled as such. Gravity is a theory yes, it may never be proven as to what it is verses knowing what it seems to do.
(Don’t even bother, my minor was in cosmology.)
So we shouldn't teach any theory? Science will sure be cut down that's for sure. And we thought we where behind many other western nations before. So long theory of gravity.
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What is truly funny is that I grew up believing that God created everything and gee, somehow, in my 47 years, it has never hurt me! Sure, those that don't believe in God may look at me as being stupid but I've never really banked much on others' opinions of me anyway, especially when they can't understand the meaning of 'faith'!!!!
Yes but you are not a scientist.
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All your local schools are parochial? I'd probably move or else transfer to freelance programming work and spend some time homeschooling them, either instead of public school or to supplement (counteract) it.

Public school functions as many things: babysitting service, ostensible education on "basics" of life, training for basic skills needed to work, and, if there's any time, a touch of critical thinking. I'm inclined to be leery of public school in the first place, mainly as a waste of time and intellectual stimulation (gifted children are generally put in the corner with an 'enrichment' book and ignored while the dullards receive all of the attention to keep low test scores up). I'm not sure whether or not I'm interested in having children in the first place, and would only do it if I felt willing to go to fairly elaborate lengths to make sure they wouldn't suffer through the same unendurable boredom that I did in public school (and my public school system was rated as being among the best in the country).
I wouldn't mind moving to tell you the truth but having a business here makes it a little difficult. I would find a way to do one of those things I'm sure.
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I wouldn't mind moving to tell you the truth but having a business here makes it a little difficult. I would find a way to do one of those things I'm sure.
Yeah, I understand, given the nature of what you do. One of the perks of my line of work is that I can work from home and home can be anywhere. Our company has had people move in the past, but continue to work remotely, and fly in every couple of months for a week or two to handle "in person" things. I could even just become a contractor and never leave the house.
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Yeah, I understand, given the nature of what you do. One of the perks of my line of work is that I can work from home and home can be anywhere. Our company has had people move in the past, but continue to work remotely, and fly in every couple of months for a week or two to handle "in person" things. I could even just become a contractor and never leave the house.
I would have said that would be great for me to be able to work at home but with two in diapers leaving the house to work it almost like a good break.
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That belief doesn't have anything, per se, to do with science or the teaching of science.
We weren't taught evolution either. It may have been in the science books but it was never taught. (Remember, I'm 47 and grew up in the Deep South!!)
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Yes but you are not a scientist.
True...Growing up, the only thing I ever wanted to be was a nurse and I achieved that goal when I was 19.
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We weren't taught evolution either. It may have been in the science books but it was never taught. (Remember, I'm 47 and grew up in the Deep South!!)
It's really certain religious people that feel that evolution and Christianity are mutually exclusive. Evolution does not teach that anything beyond the physical word is impossible and never even makes a statement about religion. I know many people that are Christians and also realize that evolution is the case. It's religion that is hostile towards it.
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We weren't taught evolution either. It may have been in the science books but it was never taught. (Remember, I'm 47 and grew up in the Deep South!!)
Well, for better or for worse, evolutionary theory is the only one that stands up to the scientific definition of theory and purports to explain the diversity of species. I certainly believe in the rights of parents to have say in anything their children are taught, and would certainly be sympathetic to parents who wanted their children to sit out of the unit or else would teach their children beliefs at home.

I'm not sure that this would be appropriate in high school, but high school biology is not mandatory, as I recall.
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True...Growing up, the only thing I ever wanted to be was a nurse and I achieved that goal when I was 19.
I'm just saying that I do not think vital areas of scientific research should have to import scientist from abroad exclusively because nobody in the U.S. learned certain fields until college. It strange that here at a state school in Kentucky (probably just as conservative and religious as Louisiana) has evolutionary biology classes.
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Well, for better or for worse, evolutionary theory is the only one that stands up to the scientific definition of theory and purports to explain the diversity of species. I certainly believe in the rights of parents to have say in anything their children are taught, and would certainly be sympathetic to parents who wanted their children to sit out of the unit or else would teach their children beliefs at home.

I'm not sure that this would be appropriate in high school, but high school biology is not mandatory, as I recall.
Here you have to have three science classes and we had introduction to chemistry and physics, biology, chemistry, and psychics but the thing is that psychics was pretty difficult and advanced for high school so other than honor students students pretty much had to take biology.
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It's really certain religious people that feel that evolution and Christianity are mutually exclusive. Evolution does not teach that anything beyond the physical word is impossible and never even makes a statement about religion. I know many people that are Christians and also realize that evolution is the case. It's religion that is hostile towards it.
My personal theory is that God created the heavens and the earth in seven days....now, was that 7/24 hour days??? I don't know...to me, it seems possible that since the Bible tells us that one day is like a thousand years to God, evolution could have been part of His process. The important part to me is that whether through evolution or a wave of the hand, God created all things.
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