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Re: Florida to teach evolution in science-theory catagory

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I don't personally know any "non-believers" who are afraid of religion. I do know many who are offended by the attempts to mischaracterize religious beliefs as science and get those beliefs admitted to the public school science class. Actually I know alot of christians who are equally offended by it.
By "afraid", I mean that many don't want to hear any mention of creationism at all. Many would be offended if the science teacher told his students, "Not everyone believe in the theory of evolution as presented by science but rather they believe in 'creationism' which cannot be proved or disproved." It's not that I want it taught in school but for folks to freak out over the mere mention of it is ridiculous! Plenty of people were taught that God created everything and they went on to lead very successful lives!!!!!!!!
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It has little to do with folks being afraid of faith; rather it has to do with the proper classification of subject material. It may be more appropriate to teach (or mention) creationism in history, than in science. However, I have no problem with it being mentioned in a science class to give an historical perspective to the actual science that will be taught. But, it does not belong in that curriculum for study. In fact, creationism is not really a theory, rather it is a hypothesis.
Creationism shouldn't be taught in public school at all.
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Creationism shouldn't be taught in public school at all.
I'd go further. It shouldn't be mentioned. It's a faith thing, and faith is something that should be taught at home.
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Re: Florida to teach evolution in science-theory catagory

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Creationism shouldn't be taught in public school at all.
Oh, I agree. I must have misunderstood that you wanted it taught in public schools, since you calim it hasn't hurt you. My apologies.

I do think it can be mentioned in history classes and in science to give a historical perspective of how science has evolved. An analogy would be that we tell students that there was a time when all thought the earth was flat, but advancements in science changed that perception.
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Oh, I agree. I must have misunderstood that you wanted it taught in public schools, since you calim it hasn't hurt you. My apologies.

I do think it can be mentioned in history classes and in science to give a historical perspective of how science has evolved. An analogy would be that we tell students that there was a time when all thought the earth was flat, but advancements in science changed that perception.
I would definitely have a problem with using your analogy because that would be saying that creationism has been disproven and it hasn't. It would be very considered offensive to many of us.
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I would definitely have a problem with using your analogy because that would be saying that creationism has been disproven and it hasn't. It would be very considered offensive to many of us.
Then where and when do you think creationism whould be taught?
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I'd go further. It shouldn't be mentioned. It's a faith thing, and faith is something that should be taught at home.
I wouldn't care if it was mentioned in passing but definitely not taught. I guess I'm different than most as I can accept evolution as part of God's plan as I stated earlier in this thread.
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Then where and when do you think creationism whould be taught?
Church, parents but not school teachers. The reason is that parents can choose the church and if they don't like the beliefs, they change churches. It's harder to change public schools and if all teachers aren't on the same page when it comes to religion, you can have Catholic, Baptist, atheist, Muslim, etc. teachers teaching contrary religious beliefs. Not cool!
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Church, parents but not school teachers. The reason is that parents can choose the church and if they don't like the beliefs, they change churches. It's harder to change public schools and if all teachers aren't on the same page when it comes to religion, you can have Catholic, Baptist, atheist, Muslim, etc. teachers teaching contrary religious beliefs. Not cool!
I agree, church is the place. I still do believe that it is appropriate to mention it in the history curriculum, as it is history.
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I agree, church is the place. I still do believe that it is appropriate to mention it in the history curriculum, as it is history.
History? Why would you consider it history when it's still believed today?
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History? Why would you consider it history when it's still believed today?
Why not? The events occurred in the past. Voila...history.
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I wouldn't care if it was mentioned in passing but definitely not taught. I guess I'm different than most as I can accept evolution as part of God's plan as I stated earlier in this thread.
That is how it was introduced in my college-level anthropology classes. One of the profs said that she was religious, but believed that evolution was just the method that God had chosen to create life on the planet.
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Why not? The events occurred in the past. Voila...history.
Evolution also occurred in the past. Are you going to teach it in history class, too?
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Evolution also occurred in the past. Are you going to teach it in history class, too?
Evolution occurs on a daily basis.
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That is how it was introduced in my college-level anthropology classes. One of the profs said that she was religious, but believed that evolution was just the method that God had chosen to create life on the planet.
I'm glad to hear that! Too many people want to be so close-minded because they take the seven day creation literally though the Bible plainly states that God's time and our time can be different.
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