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Re: Florida to teach evolution in science-theory catagory
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I've no problem with evolution being taught in high school or even junior high because by then, students with religious upbringing are old enough to understand there's a difference between science and religion and that neither their pastor nor the teacher are "lying". I wouldn't want it taught to elementary school students though because I think it would be rather confusing and how could a teacher respond to little Jimmy's comment of "That's not what my preacher said"?????
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Re: Florida to teach evolution in science-theory catagory
I would rather my children go to a religious school than to a public school that was teaching religion.
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Re: Florida to teach evolution in science-theory catagory
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I would certainly object to that statement coming from a science teacher. If a science teacher thinks it necessary to point out that some people think their religion forbids them from believing established scientific evidence in all fields then I guess there is nothing wrong with that. I just can't imagine a circumstance that would make it necessary or beneficial for a science standard to address that issue. And make no mistake about it. A denial of virtually all science is what this movement is really about. Evolution is the current target because it is the branch of science which most obviously conflicts with the literal interpretation of genesis. But as the inventors of "intelligent design" have made clear, they dispute physics, chemistry, astronomy, and geology as well. They seek "nothing less than the overthrow of materialism [modern science] and its cultural legacies" (bracketed text mine) according to the document called "the wedge strategy" produced by ID's lead organization the discovery institute.
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Re: Florida to teach evolution in science-theory catagory
Is the purpose of an education to create successful people or to inform children (or adults) about reality and teach them to think critically?
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We're talking about a school where the majority of students skipped at least 10 days per semester, and the parents were nowhere to be found. Scaring them out of the classroom would have benefited nobody.
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Re: Florida to teach evolution in science-theory catagory
OK, creationism is a valid subject in a school curriculum, when teaching about the history of scientific theories. You just can't start off with the theory of evolution, and then move on to Darwin and the Theory of natural selection.
You need to explain what people believed, and what was going on at the time, and what new information came to light. Most people accepted the biblical theory of creation, then people began to plaster the walls of their homes to keep out the cold drafts, and this created a demand for gypsum, and the best gypsum was found in France, near Paris, the world famous "Plaster of Paris". During the quarrying of all this gypsum, all kinds of skeletons were uncovered of creatures that didn't currently exist. This was when the idea of evolution, that creatures changed over time began to set in. Now how can you tell that story without explaining that people believed in the creation story of the bible as fact, before these discoveries, and that these discoveries changed peoples thinking. By the time Darwin came along, evolution was accepted by most learned people as fact, people also knew that by selective breeding they could change the characteristics of plants and animals, what Darwin supplied was a theory of the mechanism of evolution, natural selection. Just like a history of chemistry might start off with the idea that everything was composed of earth, fire, water and air, and from there go into alchemy and from there the experiments that brought us to our current understanding of chemistry. Without the starting point, the idea that every species had been created exactly as it currently appeared, and then the empirical data that changed the thinking into the idea that species changed over time, and then the mechanism of that change, and then the chemistry of that mechanism, the story is incomplete.
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Re: Florida to teach evolution in science-theory catagory
One is based in evidence, which is why it is the only one that should be taught in school.
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Re: Florida to teach evolution in science-theory catagory
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When I said I don't see any benefit to promoting ignorance I was referring to my previous sentences: "The teacher's statement, if applied only to evolution, gives the false impression that evolution can be removed without profound consequences for all of biology. It implies that other branches of science do not pose the very same issues for people of faith that evolution does." Teaching that "evolution can be removed without profound consequences for all of biology" and that "other branches of science do not pose the very same issues for people of faith that evolution does" is the promotion of ignorance I was talking about. I couldn't care less if people feel obligated by their religious faith to tell their children they are not allowed to believe in science. I just object to misrepresentation of scientific issues by teachers.
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Mrs. M, there is only one side in this issue and that side will try to create a conflict every time something can be conceived to conflict with the faith that defines the side. That was the deal with a round earth as well as with a heliocentric solar system, and it was and still is the deal with biological evolution. There is absolutely no one on the thus conceived opposing side of the thus conceived conflict that is acting as an opponent in such a conflict. When it comes to creationism (which is actually NOT a claim of divine creation but solely the claim that divine creation is demonstrable and evidential), science can and will be used to refute claims that concern the natural world. It's what science does. It can't, however, argue any claims that concern divinity. That's why, in the first place, it can't form a "side" in any conflict concerning divinity. It's a one-sided conflict, - a fight with shadows. |