Mrs M;
Maybe god did create everything, whatever god is, but evolution is an integral part of that creation. Denying it lessens one's appreciation of Creation itself.

Did I deny it?

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No, but to deny the theory of evolution the true credit it deserves will deny others of it.

You have obviously learned about evolution, but has it damaged your faith? I don't understand why it is so wrong for people to learn opposing concepts. I have been taught many things that I know disagree with, but learning those things to begin with placed me in a position of power to decide what I truly believe.

Isn't one of the keys to faith in Christ that you must personally choose to have faith? Then give people all the information they deserve to properly make that decision. To deny someone else of information and options is selfish and undermining of God's will.

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I'm with Joe.

"The true credit it deserves"?? In what way am I denying the theory? Because I believe that evolution was part of God's plan????

No, learning about it hasn't damaged my faith in any way.

As for denying others the right to learn about it, just where have I stated that I don't want it taught?????

Geez! You guys definitely have a way of twisting things.

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Heya,

You know what always amazes me Mrs. M. The depths people of faith will go to in order to make their beliefs fit into reality. You seem perfectly willing to manipulate the meaning of the bible and the meaning of evolution in order to make them fit together. The evidence shows that evolution is the correct answer to the development of life and the diversity that is extant on our planet.

There is no conclusive evidence whatsoever that god created anything and I don't see any point in trying to inteprete things to fit my own desire. This is a common problem that affects people of faith. Looking through the bible to find the bits and pieces that they like and avoiding the parts they don't like. For example, ignoring the part about the universe rotating about the planet but accepting that the authors didn't really mean that seven days meant seven days.

I prefer to find meaning in my life instead of looking to some fictitious entity to give me meaning and direction.

Hugs and Kisses,
Dee

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There may be no conclusive evidence that God created the heavens and the earth but there's no conclusive evidence that He didn't either. I accept on faith that He is the Creator of all things and accept that evolution was part of His plan.
I've not ignored the 24 hour day. However, God's time and our time can be different as stated in the Bible.
Feel free to live your life in any manner you choose...I'm not telling you that you have to believe in my God because I have more respect for people than to push my beliefs on them. Too bad some people show the same respect.

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First off, I want to apologize. I assumed that your were arguing for creationism education over evolution. I'm guilty of ignoring all posts beyond the immediate few. Sorry, but I just get bored poring over the same circular logic.

And I support your argument here. Too many people fail to accept that one's faith requires truly blind faith. Granted, there is much more evidence to support science/atheism than religion/theism, but people tend to ignore that all religions require faith in something obscure. IMO, it's an act of discipline. Personally, I enjoy the minority of believers that actually rationalize their beliefs. It shows a deeper level of understanding of their belief system and allows them the ability to be practical about things.

Unfortunately, these good folks often get tossed in with those of blind faith, who are the vast majority. These people refuse to utilize any logic or reason when making decisions. In most cases, they even ignore the teachings of their prophets and attempt to undermine the law of "Free Will" by trying to control the passage of information to individuals. These are the people I will forever fight to eradicate.

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The relevant fact is that there's no empirical evidence that God created the Heavens.

As long as no one tries to promote Creationism as science, there will be no problems. Unfortunately, that's what too many are trying to do.

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Apology accepted...
I try to never push my religious beliefs on anyone and I think most here know that...I'm also emphatic about stating "I believe..." rather than stating my beliefs as "fact", which is why I tend to get aggravated at those that call my God a 'myth', 'fantasy', etc. or those that infer that I'm crazy for believing. I think if I can show respect for their lack of belief than they should show the same respect to me....Usually doesn't work that way though...(I know you didn't say any of those things and I truly appreciate it!)

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This is true.

And while many people may think its unlikely there is a God, they have no more proof that God doesn't exist, and that evolution itself isn't one of His creations.

However - as we know - evolution does occur. We can see it occuring in some species, and there is a mass of scientific research that has shown links from one species to another. When herpetologists are talking about frogs that have 5 million years genetic distance from another species, they are not pulling that idea out of thin air.

Because of this - there really is no room for creationism in the science classroom.

And until Intellgent Design can come up with something a little more concrete than it has provided thus far, it can't be taught as a scientific alternative to evolution.

I think it may be useful to have these theories, along with the history of science, (and some other topics) included as part of unit from another subject in upper school. I can see a lot of benefit in this, as it would encourage children to think critically.

And the world needs people who are capable of critical thinking.

Oh my God!!!!

We actually agree on something!!!!

ID, I think, would have a good place in a history of science-type class. A really good teacher/class would be able to use those ideas to teach about reasoning, comparative analysis and scientific trends through time, like a unit on alchemy or the Royal Society.

Other than that, I can't see any scientific or scholastic merit to it.

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The problem with that is that there is no such class. The history of Christianity is touched upon in World History class & that is plenty. The truth is that there is no place in the public school curriculum for ID period.

A lot of people apparently don't have very much faith & confidence in their own churches' ability to do the job of indoctrinating their kids to the extent they deem acceptible, so they try to wedge their agenda into the school curriculum & force teachers to do the job that has traditionally been done by Sunday School.

As if public school teachers don't already have theur hands full.

That's what church is there for.

I completely agree. Only a history-type class would be somewhat appropriate, otherwise, ID has no place, unless somehow it became the scientific consensus.

Like that'll happen.

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