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It is not my place to question her decision to fly. It was her 5th child, so she is fairly well experienced in this I would say. She knows her body better than anyone else. This child was a month early and if she thought there was at all a risk she wouldnt have boarded the plane.
A month early? All the more reason not to take chances. Even if she "knows her body", there's no way that she could be certain that there wouldn't be complications with the baby. My daughter was full-term and she stopped breathing after she was born. What if this woman had given birth in the airplane and that happened to her baby? What if she had started hemorrhaging? Too many things can go wrong and she was incredibly stupid to take the risk.
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My first thought, when reading about her water breaking, was that it was irresponsible to continue what she was doing and then get on a plane. That just seems fucked up.

As for being the coolest Governor? Um, no:

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Do we have any evidence whatsoever that the woman didn't consult with a physician?
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A month early? All the more reason not to take chances. Even if she "knows her body", there's no way that she could be certain that there wouldn't be complications with the baby. My daughter was full-term and she stopped breathing after she was born. What if this woman had given birth in the airplane and that happened to her baby? What if she had started hemorrhaging? Too many things can go wrong and she was incredibly stupid to take the risk.
Maybe her lack of apprehension regarding personal risk is a dominant factor in her achieving the position of state governor? Professional politics at that level are not for weak or easily intimidated individuals.
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Yeah that may be the case, but in this instance its not just her own life she's showing no regard for, its the baby she's just had too. (Obviously to you that doesn't matter though).
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Do we have any evidence whatsoever that the woman didn't consult with a physician?
Now if she had her OBGYN/physician with her and he would have said it was a good idea then i would even question the decision the came to tbh, this is such a no brainer.

Seriously, would any of the women here give a speech after they go into labor? Would any husband be okay with their wife not wanting to give birth until she got to her home state because sh didn't want the child to be born in another state, in this case Texas?
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Now if she had her OBGYN/physician with her and he would have said it was a good idea then i would even question the decision the came to tbh, this is such a no brainer.

Seriously, would any of the women here give a speech after they go into labor? Would any husband be okay with their wife not wanting to give birth until she got to her home state because sh didn't want the child to be born in another state, in this case Texas?
Keep them barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen, right?
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No no, just killing the unborn babies is the solution right? And anyone who doesn't agree with that, well just tar and feather them with the names you can think of that equate to oppression of women? Way to go, just try and shout down everyone who doesn't wanna butcher the unborn like you do.
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No no, just killing the unborn babies is the solution right? And anyone who doesn't agree with that, well just tar and feather them with the names you can think of that equate to oppression of women? Way to go, just try and shout down everyone who doesn't wanna butcher the unborn like you do.
And here I thought the thread was about Alaska's governor's decision. She's staunchly pro-life, yet legally able to make her own decisions even if you disagree with them on an emotional basis. And from the results it would seem her husband and a majority of voters in Alaska also trust her to make the right decisions.
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And here I thought the thread was about Alaska's governor's decision. She's staunchly pro-life, yet legally able to make her own decisions even if you disagree with them on an emotional basis.
What garbage, she based her decision on the emotion of not wanting to have a kid in the state of Texas. Possibly the most skewed logic you could find.

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And from the results it would seem her husband and a majority of voters in Alaska also trust her to make the right decisions.
About their state, yes...they have no say on how much of an idiot she is in her own personal life.
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Maybe her lack of apprehension regarding personal risk is a dominant factor in her achieving the position of state governor? Professional politics at that level are not for weak or easily intimidated individuals.
You don't seem to comprehend that she not only put herself at risk but also that of her baby. That's absolute stupidity and I've no respect for a woman that would do that, especially for the dumbass reason she provided.
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You don't seem to comprehend that she not only put herself at risk but also that of her baby. That's absolute stupidity and I've no respect for a woman that would do that, especially for the dumbass reason she provided.
Any life fully lived has risk points or there's no gain. Judging her degree of personal and professional success your comment sounds more like jealousy because she's capable of making her own decisions rather than being dependent on conventional thinking that condemns the ordinary citizen to mediocrity.
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Any life fully lived has risk points or there's no gain. Judging her degree of personal and professional success your comment sounds more like jealousy because she's capable of making her own decisions rather than being dependent on conventional thinking that condemns the ordinary citizen to mediocrity.
Hon, jealously has nothing to do with it. Hell, this is the first time I've ever heard of the woman but as a mother and a nurse, I know beyond a shadow of doubt that what she did was totally irresponsible and defending her only shows your ignorance of the dangers associated with childbirth. As for "any life fully lived...", exactly what did she have to "gain" by putting her baby's life in danger? Oh, I forgot, the child won't grow up with the stigma of being born in Texas. Yeah, that's a real gain.
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Hon, jealously has nothing to do with it. Hell, this is the first time I've ever heard of the woman but as a mother and a nurse, I know beyond a shadow of doubt that what she did was totally irresponsible and defending her only shows your ignorance of the dangers associated with childbirth. As for "any life fully lived...", exactly what did she have to "gain" by putting her baby's life in danger? Oh, I forgot, the child won't grow up with the stigma of being born in Texas. Yeah, that's a real gain.
I'd think that would be very important to a serving state governor, but obviously priorities differ dependent on one's station in life.

As to the dangers of childbirth, again, that's an individual determination and decision. She took the risk, was successful, end of story. Speculation on what might have happened is just that and non-applicable.
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I'd think that would be very important to a serving state governor, but obviously priorities differ dependent on one's station in life.

As to the dangers of childbirth, again, that's an individual determination and decision. She took the risk, was successful, end of story. Speculation on what might have happened is just that and non-applicable.
If a pregnant woman's first priority isn't her unborn baby's well-being, then she's not much of a woman, regardless of what her station in life is.

You really don't seem to understand that she took an unnecessary risk by flying home instead of having her child at the local hospital. Her water had broke and she went into labor a month early, she knew that the baby has Down's Syndrome and yet she chose to risk his life and hers. I'm glad everything turned out okay but I still think she's a very stupid woman for taking such a risk. Doctors generally tell pregnant women not to fly past their 36th week and I seriously doubt that her doctor approved of her actions, though he may not have come right out and said so due to her "station in life".
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