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Re: Coolest Governor Ever!

My ass it doesn't, the fact that she could have problems anyway is just one more reason not to behave like a totally irresponsible 5th grader and get your ass to some medical help ASAP, possibly a hospital if need be, NOT fly to your home state which is a long way away.
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Btw if she knew he had Down syndrome why was she "very confused", according to that article?
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You can't just look at the "statistics". Consider that the US counts stillbirths with no regard for size or maturity in the mortality rate. It's also well known that minorities make up a large portion of that rate, which is often no fault of the neonatal care received but rather damage that was done during the pregnancy due to a lack of care.
But, therein lies the problem. We allow our poor to go without prenatal care, thus our infant mortality rate is bad.
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Btw if she knew he had Down syndrome why was she "very confused", according to that article?
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Re: Coolest Governor Ever!

She first said she was confused by it all.

But anyway that aside, you think that having a child with Down syndrome is no more problematic than any normal pregnancy that has the mother and baby in good health?
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My ass it doesn't, the fact that she could have problems anyway is just one more reason not to behave like a totally irresponsible 5th grader and get your ass to some medical help ASAP, possibly a hospital if need be, NOT fly to your home state which is a long way away.
What is the difference between could have and did happen? She called her doctor, her doc said to fly home. She did. What is the issue? You want to know the really crazy thing is, she actually flew twice OMG! She had to change planes in Seattle! Or is this really about an inflated dont mess with texas ego and you are somehow offended she in her actions said, get me the hell out of this place, I dont want my child to enter life here. I am gonna venture a guess, if this was California instead of Texas you would be applauding her for leaving. And saying admirable things Instead it squeezes that overinflated fragile ego that is so prevalent among Texans.
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Btw if she knew he had Down syndrome why was she "very confused", according to that article?
I have read that article 3x now. Not once does it say anything about her being confused. The one who is confused is you.
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What is the difference between could have and did happen? She called her doctor, her doc said to fly home. She did. What is the issue? You want to know the really crazy thing is, she actually flew twice OMG! She had to change planes in Seattle! Or is this really about an inflated dont mess with texas ego and you are somehow offended she in her actions said, get me the hell out of this place, I dont want my child to enter life here. I am gonna venture a guess, if this was California instead of Texas you would be applauding her for leaving. And saying admirable things Instead it squeezes that overinflated fragile ego that is so prevalent among Texans.
Don't be absurd, Alaska or Texas isn't the issue here, its your friend's irresponsibility that is.

Ego of Texans? You know what a nice ego boost for me is? Having you quote me in your signature, that's an ego boost.

Her having a kid and not wanting it in my state, well that's fine, but her risking her and her child's life is not.
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She first said she was confused by it all.

But anyway that aside, you think that having a child with Down syndrome is no more problematic than any normal pregnancy that has the mother and baby in good health?
From what I understand, in modern times, babies with DS have otherwise normal deliveries when compared to babies without DS. It is a genetic disorder, not a reflection of the health of a pregnancy.
But again, she never said she was confused. Where did you get that?
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DS can effect the labor, or as best i know anyway. My wife was pregnant last year and when she hd some of the early tests and scans they said based on the health of the baby they would advise on whether she should have a hospital birth/home birth etc. They eventually said it would be fine but we went with hospital as it was her first baby and she is young (another factor).
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Don't be absurd, Alaska or Texas isn't the issue here, its your friend's irresponsibility that is.

Ego of Texans? You know what a nice ego boost for me is? Having you quote me in your signature, that's an ego boost.

Her having a kid and not wanting it in my state, well that's fine, but her risking her and her child's life is not.
Yeah you would have some ground to stand on if something had happened.
Your welcome about my signature. It will stay there awhile.

Id like to know how you think she was risking her baby more than if she stayed on the ground. Who is to know that the increased stress caused by being away from her home, her doctor, her other kids and family, wouldnt have caused a comlication. The thing is we will never know. It worked out fine
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Yeah you would have some ground to stand on if something had happened.
Your welcome about my signature. It will stay there awhile.
Thanks...its flattering. (I guess Alaskans really do pay a lot of importance to Texans after all).

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Id like to know how you think she was risking her baby more than if she stayed on the ground. Who is to know that the increased stress caused by being away from her home, her doctor, her other kids and family, wouldnt have caused a comlication. The thing is we will never know. It worked out fine
Forget the "air" issue and her flying but wouln't she have been better off getting to a hospital immedietly so she could at least be hooked up to a couple monitors to measure her oxygen, baby's heartbeat etc?

(I assume she didn't get that on a flight).
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DS can effect the labor, or as best i know anyway. My wife was pregnant last year and when she hd some of the early tests and scans they said based on the health of the baby they would advise on whether she should have a hospital birth/home birth etc. They eventually said it would be fine but we went with hospital as it was her first baby and she is young (another factor).
Well congrats on the baby. What I said was that DS in modern times does not necessarily itself make for more of a risk when compared to many other factors.
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Well congrats on the baby.
Thanks you.

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What I said was that DS in modern times does not necessarily itself make for more of a risk when compared to many other factors.
Maybe not but it is an overall factor with everything else combined, like for example in this case the baby was a month early. All that combined is reason enough to worry imo.

For example with my wife even though we went to hospital just to be on the safe side everything was fine. The labor lasted 33 minutes overall (all natural, no gas and air even lav alone an epi) but what harm did going to the hospital do?

If and when we have another we may well have a home birth because the first went so well and my wife will be a little older.
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Thanks...its flattering. (I guess Alaskans really do pay a lot of importance to Texans after all).



Forget the "air" issue and her flying but wouln't she have been better off getting to a hospital immedietly so she could at least be hooked up to a couple monitors to measure her oxygen, baby's heartbeat etc?

(I assume she didn't get that on a flight).
Well Alaskans pay attention to everyone else while we are largely forgotten.

I dont know the level of medical care. I know she would have been traveling with probably one plain clothed Ak State trooper that is in the VIP protection branch. Who would have considerable medical training. Probably to the level at least of an EMTII minimum. I would also venture a guess that there was an actual MD on the flight by coincidence. Alaska Airlines wouldnt have let her get on that plane if they thought the risk was to big.
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