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Re: What Is The Difference Between The Floods In Iowa And Floods In New Orleans?

Ralph Nagin's legacy.........
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Ralph Nagin's legacy.........
Definitely his legacy! (btw, it's Ray Nagin!)
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Re: What Is The Difference Between The Floods In Iowa And Floods In New Orleans?

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The major difference between the floods in Iowa and Katrina is scope.
The damage in Iowa is limited to the area immediately adjacent to the river, a mile away from the river, it's just a rain storm.
Katrina covered a huge area, and did damage on a huge scale, in Iowa the damage is limited to a relatively small area, with functioning emergency services, food and shelter just a short distance from the disaster area, and relatively small numbers of people affected.
How long is the Mississippi?

Every town along that long river is flooding.

Iowa City is almost totally flooded out.

Amazing how people like you love minimizing this and making Katrina bigger then any disaster in history.

Katrina was a media circus.

It turned onto a goat-fuck because a local politician never learned how to lead. He was elected and then re-elected after Katrina because of the color of his skin.
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How long is the Mississippi?

Every town along that long river is flooding.

Iowa City is almost totally flooded out.

Amazing how people like you love minimizing this and making Katrina bigger then any disaster in history.

Katrina was a media circus.

It turned onto a goat-fuck because a local politician never learned how to lead. He was elected and then re-elected after Katrina because of the color of his skin.
No, I'm not even going to go there.............
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Re: What Is The Difference Between The Floods In Iowa And Floods In New Orleans?

And, initial estimates were that at least 10% of the corn, soy, and other crops are shot. Some crops are shot for next year, too. These floods are a very big deal. I imagine the Iowans and other Midwesterners just aren't exciting enough for the press, though. That is a tragedy in addition to the disaster.
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Re: What Is The Difference Between The Floods In Iowa And Floods In New Orleans?

The Heartland of America needs help and so does the American Red Cross:
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The American Red Cross said yesterday that it has depleted its national disaster relief fund and is taking out loans to pay for shelters, food and other relief services across seven Midwestern states battered by floods.

Officials at the charity estimated that efforts in the Midwest will cost more than $15 million and warned that the total could surpass $40 million if the Mississippi River creates floods in St. Louis later this week....
Red Cross Disaster Fund Is Depleted

The Midwesterners seem to not warrant as much emotion for their situation as the folks of New Orleans. Or, maybe there is not as much noise from the Midwesterners to shift the blame away from them as Midwesterners have little blame to bear for their situation.
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Re: What Is The Difference Between The Floods In Iowa And Floods In New Orleans?

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And, initial estimates were that at least 10% of the corn, soy, and other crops are shot. Some crops are shot for next year, too. These floods are a very big deal. I imagine the Iowans and other Midwesterners just aren't exciting enough for the press, though. That is a tragedy in addition to the disaster.
This is nowhere near the scale of Katrina.
These floods are devastating to the towns along the river, but only along the river, and it's in an area that is sparsely populated.

Look at the numbers in this FEMA bulletin.
FEMA: FEMA Coordinating Federal Response to Midwest Storms


4000 evacuees.
More than 6000 meals served.
shelter for 461 residents
two truckloads of water delivered.

The scope of this is minuscule compared with Katrina.
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The Heartland of America needs help and so does the American Red Cross: Red Cross Disaster Fund Is Depleted

The Midwesterners seem to not warrant as much emotion for their situation as the folks of New Orleans. Or, maybe there is not as much noise from the Midwesterners to shift the blame away from them as Midwesterners have little blame to bear for their situation.
Well, they did choose to live near a river that could flood.
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Well, they did choose to live near a river that could flood.
Yeah, and those in CA live on fault lines, those in Kansas live in Tornado Alley, those in Maine live where there are severe winter storms, those on the Gulf Coast and Atlantic seaboard live where hurricanes hit......what's your point?
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Yeah, and those in CA live on fault lines, those in Kansas live in Tornado Alley, those in Maine live where there are severe winter storms, those on the Gulf Coast and Atlantic seaboard live where hurricanes hit......what's your point?
That they have some blame for where they choose to live. Sure, nature can strike anywhere, but some risks are higher than others.
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The major difference between the floods in Iowa and Katrina is scope.
The damage in Iowa is limited to the area immediately adjacent to the river, a mile away from the river, it's just a rain storm.
Katrina covered a huge area, and did damage on a huge scale, in Iowa the damage is limited to a relatively small area, with functioning emergency services, food and shelter just a short distance from the disaster area, and relatively small numbers of people affected.
But don't let facts like this get in the way of a good "lefties coddle lazy bums" rant

(IMHO, nothing tops the Dan Quayle comment about how there's no unemployment when McDonald's has "Now Hiring" signs on its windows)

Nevertheless, three years after the disaster, GOPers fail to acknowledge the fact that the tragedy of Katrina was compounded by irresponsible leadership, including at the federal level. While Katrina happened, bush and FEMA slept (as well as the NOLA mayor and Gov. Blanco, of course).

The argument that the responsibility lied entirely with NOLA is bogus. NOLA, by itself, did not have the resources to cope with the disaster, even if Nagin had done a Guilianiesque job of handling the crisis. Even more pathetic is that several other nations volunteered assistance (money, ships), that were turned away by the idiot Bush regime.

But nothing can excuse the fact that Bush and his minions failed to do anything to patch the levies that protected NOLA.

The strong likelihood of a Katrina-type disaster was known years in advance, yet no one acted.

The $$ spent on the silly "War on Terror" would've been more than adequate to reinforce or rebuild the city's levies. Of course, every other administration in the past could've done the same thing. All of them failed. Katrina was a time when NOLA and the nation needed leadership, and none was available.
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In older cultures, a man who failed as utterly as Nagin would throw himself on his own sword.
Same is true of Bush, who has considerably more swords at his disposal.
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Has anyone noticed the differences between the state of Iowa and the state of Louisiana?

Looks like the damage from the floods in Iowa will come pretty close to the aftermath of Katrina.

But what are the primary differences between the two.
There are several, including the enormous difference in scope between the two, but here's one: the residents of Cedar Rapids are on average richer than the Katrina-era residents of NOLA. Compare the median incomes, poverty-line stats between the two cities, hello?!

Much easier to cope with natural disaster when have more financial resources (i. e. flood insurance, emergency funds) at your disposal.
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While Katrina did cover a very large area and did damage on a huge scale, the major damage in New Orleans was due to flooding AFTER the storm had already passed, so it equates to "just a rain storm" for them. New Orleans is only ONE of many cities and towns that were hit hard and yet, New Orleans is the only city that still hasn't got their act together. Don't blame the Bush administration for it either...blame Nagin and the morons that voted him back in.
For the record, over 1/2 of my city was flooded
What city is that?
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But don't let facts like this get in the way of a good "lefties coddle lazy bums" rant

(IMHO, nothing tops the Dan Quayle comment about how there's no unemployment when McDonald's has "Now Hiring" signs on its windows)

Nevertheless, three years after the disaster, GOPers fail to acknowledge the fact that the tragedy of Katrina was compounded by irresponsible leadership, including at the federal level. While Katrina happened, bush and FEMA slept (as well as the NOLA mayor and Gov. Blanco, of course).

The argument that the responsibility lied entirely with NOLA is bogus. NOLA, by itself, did not have the resources to cope with the disaster, even if Nagin had done a Guilianiesque job of handling the crisis. Even more pathetic is that several other nations volunteered assistance (money, ships), that were turned away by the idiot Bush regime.

But nothing can excuse the fact that Bush and his minions failed to do anything to patch the levies that protected NOLA.

The strong likelihood of a Katrina-type disaster was known years in advance, yet no one acted.

The $$ spent on the silly "War on Terror" would've been more than adequate to reinforce or rebuild the city's levies. Of course, every other administration in the past could've done the same thing. All of them failed. Katrina was a time when NOLA and the nation needed leadership, and none was available.
Thats a convinient simplification, but the truth lies more in the middle. FEMA and Bushs problems were compounded by the total stupidity of New Orleans. Build a city in a bowl, pour water on it, then complain when someone cant adequetaly stop the water from getting in, or figure out how to resuce people who shouldnt have been there in the first place.
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