Originally Posted by jviehe

Naming a sewage plant after someone you dislike is just childish. They arent criticizing, they are name calling.

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Have to agree. This is embarassing for the city of San Francisco.

Originally Posted by Imperator

this isn’t humor and you know it, humor has zero to do with it...I live here remember? I hear on a day to day basis the muck and mire.....they mean it exactly as proposed because they think hes shit and want everyone to know it....you know it know it and they are immature enough to think this matters.....so please.

Originally Posted by chassisman

But it does............it identifies the people of San Fran for exactly what they are and paints an accurate picture of them for all to see. It's really no news to most of us though, we already knew "what up" in San Fran.

Originally Posted by Jefe

The multi-quote button is on the lower right, right next to the quote button. Click on several of them from various posts, then click "Post Reply".

Originally Posted by TheStripey1

Do you think they care what you think is embarrassing for them? For that matter, do you think they care what anyone thinks about them, period?

I don't. IMO, I don't think they care what anyone in the USA thinks about them...

Originally Posted by pramjockey

Have you been to San Francisco?

In my travels, the people there haven't been significantly different from the people in any other city of similar size.

Originally Posted by ViolaLee

I guess we'll find out in November when they vote on how to name the Sewage plant.

Originally Posted by chassisman

Just to add note to SF's vast ididocy, a sewage treatment plant takes sewage and converts it into something much better, clean and useable. So what is the message, Bush was a great improver of shit, like the new plant will be? Not a whole lot of thought went into that one, now did it?

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

I'd hope most would be able to share their experiences and most here aren't trolls and do indeed share them freely and constructively and receive the same in turn. You get what you give really. If trolling is the purpose that's all one really merits in return. Good conversation usually engenders the same from the many interested in it and the trollers just become driftwood in the threads if ignored. Some would-be trollers can even rise to the occasion if given the opportunity for decent dialogue.

I'm only passing on my own as others do so we can all get our perspectives. The beauty of online discussion is that it pools people around the nation and the world to do so. I learn much by that access every day and just try to do my part.

Once in awhile in the past certain Hollywood movies covered the depressed coal and steel areas of PA like 'The Deerhunter' and Tom Cruise's opening notable picture 'All the Right Moves.' Both showed the decline and local culture as part of the themes (economic decline, church, hunting and fishing, high school football, etc). Things have gotten much worse than those times and now almost nothing is mentioned of it.

I was hoping Obama's comment would raise awareness again but it was hijacked and spun and that really irritated me. The last thing I wanted to hear was pundits and politicians patronising me and my former area with twisting his comment on its head as if we were happy being stuck with our churches, guns, etc. Sure, I liked those aspects (especially the outdoor activities like hunting and fishing) but damn we all wanted jobs and money and did resent the neglect of politicians. Hell, they even hurt the area.

Tonight I saw Hannity on FOX playing upon that same 'cling' spin to tie it to Obama's criticism that American students aren't getting language instructions and requirements in school like Europeans do in order for them to improve their own communication skills.

Obama was right again--Americans usually don't know a second language when so many others who have a non-English native langauge who not only learn English but more.

Low expectations--especially in schools and their curriculum--have indeed contributed to this lack of knowledge. We see that truth even here on this site with the multitude of fluent English speakers from non-English speaking nations plus their knowledge of other languages.

Yet, Hannity was twisting it in his partisan spindoctoring to make it sound like Americans ought to be outraged by Obama's 'condescending attitude' towards Americans. My feeling was "What? Since when is being behind in any aspect been a promoted point of pride and acceptance and a hailed American value and aspiration?" Hannity is who POed me, protraying Americans as somehow a people that should be proud and contented to low aspirations. The America I want--and the one that succeeds--wishes to strive not slide. Even Mitt Romney, the guest, had to grudgingly concede that dog didn't hunt with Hannity's language spin.

I don't want this to be construed as a pro-Obama post although I liked his two observations I mentioned. I want it to be construed as a recognising a good idea or focus post. Hillary and McCain get their kudos and fair hearings just the same where I hear their thinking caps on and where I think they raised good and/or worthy to consider points.

Good ideas and observations ought to be viewed and treated as such and adopted no matter who raises it. Each candidate deserves a fair hearing to make their arguments too and not just be dismissed because they are from another party and/or someone wants them to lose by reason of partisan bias or prevailing ideology leanings. Nobody learns if they don't listen and believe they already have all the answers. There will always be those things but it's up to each person not to be led by the nose willingly or by default and just aim to get it right as best they can. Otherwise the nation cannot grow and preserve itself too well if at all.

Originally Posted by Jefe

The multi-quote button is on the lower right, right next to the quote button. Click on several of them from various posts, then click "Post Reply".

Originally Posted by O'Sullivan Bere

There's certainly merit to this sentiment IMO. SF often dishes what it takes, and that's the cyclical downward spiral.

I take a different view on the Obama comment but one fitting right into what we are discussing. When I saw it in context, I agreed with his observation because I lived where he was referring (the PA mine district) for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Traveler

I see it and click on it but it either doesn't seem to work for me or i can't figure it out, nothing happens when i click it... (I tried ages and ago and gave up afterwards).

Originally Posted by TheStripey1

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... click on all the ones I want to quote and THEN hit reply... ok... I'll give that a shot...

thanks Jefe... obtw, can it do multiple pages as well? or is it one page at a time?

Originally Posted by ViolaLee

Wow, if anyone else defended Obama's guns and religion statement, they be smashed on this board.