I think unemployment compensation, at-will, is currently a better mechanism for a social safety net. How much more money would the State need, if no one could claim to be in poverty?

All the money it would need to pay every lazy asshole who wants to get paid to do nothing for the rest of his life. Thats quite a bit.

If pot was legal he wouldn't have been arrested for it. You should be more worried about why he was in possession of burglery tools.

I'm more a fan of taking murderers and rapists out back and blowing their brains out. Thats what you do to rabid animals.

But remember, we are talking about California here.

The last time I was on unemployment in California was in 2001. At that point, the monthly cap was somewhere around $1,000 a month.

In most areas, that would pay for your rent, and maybe 1 utility bill. Forget other things, like the other 2-3 utility bills, gasoline, food, and auto insurance.

California is essentially broken. And it is all to likely that it is broken beyond repair. Welfare pays much more then unemployment. So you are often better off if you simply go on welfare for years.

You are still missing the point about having recourse to (capital) via unemployment compensation, at-will, in accordance with at-will employment doctrine and state at-will employment laws.

That same individual could plan on a twenty or thirty year "career" at school to prepare them for prevailing market based wage work in the future.

Or, that same individual could learn a new vocation that is currently in demand.

The point is that any given individual would also be able to be patriotic and moral to their pursuit of Happiness and Ninth Amendment.

Except at will EMPLOYMENT has nothing to do with at will UNEMPLOYMENT. At will EMPLOYMENT means an employer can hire or fire whoever they want and likewise an employee can accept a job or quit a job for no reason.

That does not translate into at will unemployment. period.

you already have a thread created for this discussion, please utilize it.

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well the cliff is looming, or the train is blotting out the light at the end of the tunnel, whatever.....I wonder what Obama is going to do, will he bail the state out or?


California set to issue IOUs as fiscal crisis weighs

LOS ANGELES/NEW YORK (Reuters) - California's controller said on Wednesday that he would have to issue IOUs in a week if lawmakers can't quickly solve a $24 billion budget deficit, and the state's treasurer plans to tap a reserve fund to meet debt service costs.

The measures came as a budget crisis deepened in the most populous U.S. state and the gridlocked legislature failed to pass a proposed $11 billion in cuts.

"Next Wednesday we start a fiscal year with a massively unbalanced spending plan and a cash shortfall not seen since the Great Depression," Controller John Chiang said in a statement announcing that he would be forced to use IOUs to pay the state's bills beginning on July 2.

"The state's $2.8 billion cash shortage in July grows to $6.5 billion in September and after that we see a double digit freefall," Chiang said. "Unfortunately, the state's inability to balance its checkbook will now mean short-changing taxpayers, local governments and small businesses."

State Treasurer Bill Lockyer, meanwhile, is planning to draw on reserves for economic recovery sales tax bonds, according to a spokesman.

Rating agency Standard & Poor's warned it may downgrade the bonds, given the problems California is likely to face in replenishing its emergency funds.

The state is expecting to file a material event notice on Thursday to alert bondholders to the move that comes in response to plunging sales tax receipts, said spokesman Tom Dresslar.

"The senior coverage account will be drawn on and debt service on all economic recovery bonds will be paid in full on July 1," Dresslar said.

California has been in crisis since the housing slump and credit crunch caused a severe decline in revenues. The state has seen its unemployment rate climb steadily to 11.5 percent in May from 6.8 percent a year earlier, according to labor department data.

California set to issue IOUs as fiscal crisis weighs | Reuters

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Yup, it's pretty scary. I work at a community college and we almost had to cut all summer classes due to the budget. There are going to be some very deep cuts this fall. I might have to look for another job.

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It would be completely unneccesary if the state didn't subsidize them in the first place. Tuition and other non-tax revenues for institutions of higher learning should be enough to cover the costs. Then the only thing that would require cuts would be a lack of demand.

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I think the same reasoning should be applied to the drug and terror wars. We should not be burdened by those expenses while having our other social benefits reduced to cut costs.

As a form of social policy, the drug and terror wars do nothing to eliminate official poverty or provide for the general welfare of the republic.

Do you just cut and paste the same nonesense all-day long? It comes across as so pathetically sophomoric.

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----Denny Crane

Since I use argumentation for "truth value" purposes, I cut and paste relevant words from our Constitution, whenever possible to provide a continuation of reasoning enumerated by our Founding Fathers. And to be more holy and moral, and ethical to our own US Constitution.

Really, because the words you use the most ad naseum are nowhere to be found in the Constitution. Which article or amendment is 'official poverty' found in? I must have missed it.

Furthermore, cutting and pasting words which you don't understand the contemporaneous understanding or usage of does little to "provide a continuation of reasoning enumerated by our Founding Fathers". And just to illustrate that point, using the word enumerated with reasoning is just idiotic usage. The Constitution does not provide any "reasoning", it enumerates powers of government, and rights of the people and the states; AND even if it had contained "reasoning", it is poor usage to refer to enumeration of reasoning, it would be enumeration of reasons, not reaspning.

Again, in trying to sound sophisticated you betray your poor grasp of the concepts and words you are referring to and relying on respectively.

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"It's a good feeling to shoot a bad guy. Something you democrats would never understand. Americans are homesteaders, we want a safe home, keep the money we make, and shoot bad guys!"

----Denny Crane

This is the phrase I am referring to: "general welfare".