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Old 06-27-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

You may have missed the point of that line of reasoning. If we were running massive surpluses sufficient to lower sales taxes, why could we not have lowered direct and invasive income taxes or lowered the extra tax on artificial persons.
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Old 06-29-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

I think our income taxes should be lowered next time we run massive surpluses instead of reducing sales taxes.

Or, maybe we can end the tax on artificial persons.
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

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You don't have a clue what you are talking about, even if legal, revenue from taxes on currently illegal drugs would be a mere fraction of what we currently collect in direct income taxes.
welllllllll i wouldn't go quite so far.

pot taxed at the rate of tobacco or booze comes out to about $90 billion nationwide in saved revenue and taxed income. and pots the cheapest of the bunch of recreational drugs. that is not an insignificant amount of money by any means. It wouldn't replace normal income tax, but it would help alot.
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Old 07-02-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

Save the Fed. End the Drug War; it is "not worth a continental".
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

California does not produce anything significant, so it's economy is just like one huge soap bubble.
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

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California is home to several significant economic regions. These include:

* Hollywood (entertainment)
* The California Central Valley (agriculture)
* Silicon Valley (computers and high tech)
* Wine producing regions such as the Napa Valley, Sonoma Valley and Southern California's Santa Barbara, and Paso Robles areas

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California has historically derived significant revenue from international trade and tourism. However, the state's share of America's merchandise export trade has been steadily shrinking since 2000, from 15.4% to 11.1% in 2008. [2][3] The exports of goods made in California totaled $134 billion in 2007. $48 billion of that total was computers and electronics, followed by transportation, non-electrical machinery, agriculture, and chemicals. California trade and exports translate into high-paying jobs for over one million Californians. According to the U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of Economic Analysis, in 2005, foreign-controlled companies employed 542,600 California workers, the most of any state. Major sources of foreign investment in California in 2005 were Japan, the United Kingdom, Switzerland, France, and Germany. Foreign investment in California was responsible for 4.2 percent of the state's total private-industry employment in 2005.[4] Total direct travel spending in California reached $96.7 billion in 2007, a 3.6% increase over the preceding year.[5] Los Angeles County receives the most tourism in the state.[6]

Source: Economy of California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
We could be upgrading our infrastructure instead of wasting money on an extra-constitutional drug war.
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Old 07-04-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

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welllllllll i wouldn't go quite so far.

pot taxed at the rate of tobacco or booze comes out to about $90 billion nationwide in saved revenue and taxed income. and pots the cheapest of the bunch of recreational drugs. that is not an insignificant amount of money by any means. It wouldn't replace normal income tax, but it would help alot.
Ah, $90 billion is, just as I said, a miniscule portion of current direct taxes.
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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

I think pot could be taxed at the fifty percent rate and still be a bargain over that same product on the black market.
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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

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Ah, $90 billion is, just as I said, a miniscule portion of current direct taxes.
and like i said dude it wouldn't replace anything, but it would supplement it rather well.

you just gonna turn down 90 billion dollars? plus think of all the guys with petty possession convictions that'll be able to get jobs and not have to spend all their money on court cases.
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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

California's problems are much larger than a petty drug war. Funny how you guys focus on that all the time. Is that all the stoners think about?
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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

Most of our State problems are currently due to a poverty of money in our money-based, mixed-market, political-economy.

We may not have a deficit, if Commerce within the State was regulated and taxed, in the most statist of manners.

In case you haven't heard, some our elected representatives to government would rather cut social spending than end our current and extra-constitutional drug war.

Save the Fed. End the Drug War; it is "not worth a continental".
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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

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Most of our State problems are currently due to a poverty of money in our money-based, mixed-market, political-economy.

We may not have a deficit, if Commerce within the State was regulated and taxed, in the most statist of manners.

In case you haven't heard, some our elected representatives to government would rather cut social spending than end our current and extra-constitutional drug war.

Save the Fed. End the Drug War; it is "not worth a continental".
Ah, yes, the answer is always more taxes, huh? What ever happened to only spending what you make? How about you stop wasting money on illegals? Hell, I watched Pelosi say that she wants to give tuition assistance for illegals to go to college. Until you get rid of her and like minded individuals you will continue to lose all the people you want to tax more and go further into debt.
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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

We could be spending what we make, if we were not wasting it on a useless drug war that has never worked, in the history of our republic.

Why is it that, the answer, for those of your point of view, is always more coercive use of force of the State?
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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

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We could be spending what we make, if we were not wasting it on a useless drug war that has never worked, in the history of our republic.

Why is it that, the answer, for those of your point of view, is always more coercive use of force of the State?
We aren't fighting a drug war. We are fighting a drug conflict. One of the reasons we aren't "winning" is because we aren't really doing much of anything effective to stop it. The money problem could easily be solved with we took all the druggies in jail and put them to forced labor while they were encarcerated. This would give the state an at-cost labor force that would save the state millions. If every state did it, it would save billions. Prisoners should not be allowed to just sit around and do nothing at the cost of law abiding citizens. Problem solved.
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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

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California's problems are much larger than a petty drug war. Funny how you guys focus on that all the time. Is that all the stoners think about?
no one is saying its their only problem Prohibition lad, just one of their easily solvable ones.

another easily solvable problem would be to get rid of the illegals that infest their system. another would be to ease up on a whole lot of their social programs until theyve got the dough to pay for them.
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