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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

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We aren't fighting a drug war. We are fighting a drug conflict. One of the reasons we aren't "winning" is because we aren't really doing much of anything effective to stop it. The money problem could easily be solved with we took all the druggies in jail and put them to forced labor while they were encarcerated. This would give the state an at-cost labor force that would save the state millions. If every state did it, it would save billions. Prisoners should not be allowed to just sit around and do nothing at the cost of law abiding citizens. Problem solved.
yeah and take away a shit ton of jobs. good idea dude. lets do that and throw their economy even farther into the shitter. they need to get rid of the illegals, cut back on the social spendings, and legalize pot and tax the ever loving shit out of it.
it costs 55 dollars a day on average per prisoner. that adds up. you could be making alot more than that per day with most of those prisoners being free citizens working paying jobs if you'd legalize pot and tax it.

just like getting rid of the illegals and cutting back on the spending are common sense measures, so is legalizing and most importantly taxing a billion dollar industry that operates whether or not the law likes it or not, in spite of BILLIONS of dollars spent every year.

Remember when America used to have common sense?
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

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yeah and take away a shit ton of jobs. good idea dude. lets do that and throw their economy even farther into the shitter. they need to get rid of the illegals, cut back on the social spendings, and legalize pot and tax the ever loving shit out of it.
it costs 55 dollars a day on average per prisoner. that adds up. you could be making alot more than that per day with most of those prisoners being free citizens working paying jobs if you'd legalize pot and tax it.

just like getting rid of the illegals and cutting back on the spending are common sense measures, so is legalizing and most importantly taxing a billion dollar industry that operates whether or not the law likes it or not, in spite of BILLIONS of dollars spent every year.

Remember when America used to have common sense?
There are plenty of jobs that the state needs to do but don't have the funds to do them. Remember, jobs paid for by the state aren't real jobs. All they are is reallocation of tax money they took from other people and businesses. If taxes go down then you make more money in the long run because business and people will have more capital to play around with and people and businesses will move into your state because you have lower taxes.
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

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There are plenty of jobs that the state needs to do but don't have the funds to do them. Remember, jobs paid for by the state aren't real jobs. All they are is reallocation of tax money they took from other people and businesses. If taxes go down then you make more money in the long run because business and people will have more capital to play around with and people and businesses will move into your state because you have lower taxes.
the types of people you can convict to hard labor are generally only suited for low risk, low skill jobs. like breaking rocks. or tilling fields.
construction, road work etc is out of the question as it requires machines and tools that are most certainly qualified for use in a breakout or as deadly weapons. plus then you have to watch them constantly. it just not cost effective. those low skill jobs are sometimes the only jobs real americans can get. (not illegals) let good citizens hold down those jobs. and quit considering pot smokers bad citizens and let them hold their normal jobs. works just fine. especially if you tax the shit out of pot.

heres and article you might find interesting. its the only instance ive ever heard of, of a business requesting and in fact proposing that more taxes be levyed upon them. the business? pot dealers in cali

Marijuana Vendors Lobby To Pay Higher Taxes : NPR

In today's economy, it's hard to find anyone who really wants to pay higher taxes. That is, unless they happen to be in the business of selling medical marijuana.

In Oakland, Calif., marijuana vendors are actually lobbying for a higher tax on their product.

Take, for example, Richard Lee, the proprietor of the Coffeeshop Blue Sky, where anyone with a doctor's note can buy products much more relaxing than a jolt of java. How about 1/8 ounce of high-grade medical marijuana? That's $40 for the cannabis and $4 in sales tax.

Lee says the sales tax is just the price of doing business.

"My business pays $300,000 a year in sales tax, plus another half-million in payroll taxes — income taxes," Lee says. "So we estimate that all four dispensaries in Oakland pay over a million in sales tax already."

And now, the city of Oakland wants a bigger cut of Lee's action. Right now, medical marijuana dispensaries pay a city tax of $1.20 for every $1,000 they take in. In July, voters will decide whether the dispensaries should pay even more — as much as $18 for every $1,000 in gross receipts.

Lee and other dispensary owners not only support the proposed new taxes, but they're also the ones who brought the idea to city officials in the first place.

"We're basically trying to say that we are like other businesses, you know. We're here to pay taxes, create jobs and improve the community," Lee says.

Councilwoman Rebecca Kaplan says the new tax could generate upward of $1 million annually and would make Oakland the first city in the country to directly tax medical marijuana.

"You know, in these economic times, we're trying to find revenue everywhere we can, and we're trying to keep our senior centers open," she says. "We're trying to keep public safety officials hired and with equipment that works, and so to have someone stepping up and say, 'We're willing to pay more,' it's a pretty beautiful thing."

It's not the first time officials have looked to marijuana to fill their tax coffers. A bill to legalize and tax cannabis statewide has already been introduced in the California Legislature. And state finance officials estimate that legalized pot could bring in about $1.5 billion in new taxes to the cash-strapped state.

Still A Federal Crime

But opponents of medical marijuana aren't convinced. Calvina Fay is the executive director of the Drug Free America Foundation. She says medical marijuana may be legal in California and 12 other states, but its sale is still a federal crime.

"I think it is one more step in creating the illusion that they are operating within the law, what they're doing is OK," Fay says.

Other critics of the tax proposal say the medical marijuana industry is looking for more than legitimacy. Ronald Brooks, the president of the National Narcotic Officers' Associations' Coalition, says the ultimate goal is the legalization of cannabis.

"Their strategy has long been that they just can't go to the voters right now in today's environment and say, 'Legalize marijuana.' But they know there is a growing movement that supports marijuana and, unfortunately, when you start to chip away at our national drug policy, you begin to have people believe that somehow this is safe," Brooks says.

Brooks won't get much argument from Lee. He says the Oakland tax proposal is written so broadly that it would cover anyone involved with growing and selling marijuana should it ever become legal.

"We see it as part of the overall picture of legalization, of changing the attitudes of cannabis. Instead of seeing it as an underground thing that people do to get out of paying taxes, we're trying to make it a regular part of the business of the city," he says.

A recent Field Poll shows that, for the first time, 56 percent of those surveyed in California support legalization of marijuana — and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says he's ready for an open debate on the idea.
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Old 07-05-2009
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Re: California just lost another 8 billion due to 'recession'

How about a moral argument. The general government of the Union has no authority to prohibit Commerce among the several States, without it being specifically delegated since the repeal of the prohibition amendment.

In any event, there is no moral justification to deny and disparage both States' rights and individual liberty through the coercive use of force of the State; merely for the sake of drug prohibition. The power to Regulate commerce is clearly enumerated in our Constitution.
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