The difference was precisely my point, except that you and Andrew seem only to be interested in what happens to the corporations here.

On this subject, there's going to be little point in you and I discussing, as your philosophy about the role of government is fundamentally and irreconcilably different from mine.

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It's a novel approach I found out about by reading the Pure Food and Drug Act (1906). Hell, it wasn't even a novel idea a century ago, so it shouldn't surprise any compassionate conservative today.

If I want to go to the store and purchase transfats, I am unable to do so.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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Why would you want to though. Do you feel that the government is punishing you because you cant go to the drug store and buy some heroine for a night on the town?

Andrew

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I wouldn't see Dubya doing something like this. Not because he's philosophically opposed to it - in fact, this sort of authoritarian "liberalism" is right up his alley. Rather, I see him not doing it because of what he's supposed to be politically.

Generally speaking, "conservatives" who staunchly support a military juggernaut, who believe the government ought to legislate morality, and other assorted non-conservative (in the sense of conservative philosophy as libertarian/classic liberal) "conservatives" would support this kind of state sponsored meddling. However, they encounter some cognitive dissonance when they realize that they're actually not in favor of what they preach, or what they believe that Reagan would do. So, they're more likely to back away from authoritarian busybodying, not because they think it's right, but because it looks "too liberal".

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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I will let Andrew speak for himself, and simply inform you that your conclusion is exactly the opposite of the truth. Banning transfats, as I noted above , simply prevents the vendors from inflicting more harm. It does not expose those who have previously sold transfats to any litigation that they were nort previously exposed to.



The extension of tour "logic" would hold that, because you can CHOOSE to defend your home with a firearm, police forces at local and state level are an intrusion on your right to defend your "castle." In fact, the entire "free choice" argument is absurd.

Rights only exist inasmuch as I'm not practically inconvenienced? You sound like one of those people that says "what does it matter if they wiretap you - you're not saying anything illegal, are you? Rights-shmights!"

And yes, for the record, I do consider it punishment that I cannot buy heroin, or anything else that I damn well please because some political opportunist at some point, for some reason, decided that I needed more mommies.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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That sounds pretty fascist. Who knows better whats good for me? The govt or me?

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That probably makes sense, given that you responded to something I addressed to Andrew, restating what I said. And now, you're saying that what you and I both said is "the opposite of the truth". That's an odd enough self-contradiction that I'm not really interested in pursuing this line of discussion.

/shrug/

I'm not going to argue with men of straw. But, if I were, I'd say that an extension of your "logic" would hold that the government should lock us all up in padded cells and have machines exercise us and feed us in order to save us from any potential harm.

But, I'm more interested in conversations that don't invovle us inventing positions for one another. If you want to have one of those, then I'll respond. If not, I'm finished with this.

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I don't think that it's specifically fascist (if anything, it's probably more populist). I would just call it general advocacy of authoritarian philosophy.

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The government ALREADY prohibits the manufacturer of Corn Flakes from "enhancing" them with substances which could harm you and your children. Therefore, they cannot add arsenic, strychnine, heroin, LSD, rat feces, and many other substances--because the government has a Responsibility to protect its citizens. Under this proposal, Texas would simply add "transfats" to the list of proscribed substances.

As to your "fascist" comment," it is apparent that you don't have the foggiest idea just what a "fascist" is or what one would represent. Haven't you been a vocal supporter of Former President George W. Bush in this forum? As such, how in the world can you accuse someone else of being a fascist?

Your response is so illogical as to constitute no response at all. I can see why you're "finished with this."

My response was only to point out two (that I bothered to count) logical fallacies in your own post. Given that your arguments are based in logical fallacies, it stands to reason (and is perhaps even ironically rational) that you would find someone pointing out your use of logical fallacy to be "illogical".

Sometimes I respond to fallacy, depending on the source and the purpose if it. More often than not I do it with satire in order to amuse myself. However, you're a serious and intelligent poster, so I'm not interested in that when it comes to you. I'd be interested in intelligent discussion with you about certain subjects, but not subjects where some personal agenda or motive to which I am not privy causes you to engage in fallacy to prop up your position.

You appear to have some sort of emotional stake in this that precludes rational discussion. That is why I am "finished with this". It would be like discussing the context and motivations of Marx's philosophies with someone who is a fan of Rush Limbaugh.

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and????????The shelf life of processed items is enhanced by transfats, yes and there is a taste there that would not be if we ate the product absent the use of usch. And foods for instance french frys cooked in oils which utilize high amounts of transfats tastes different and that aint just me saying so.

You do have a point where in I have been trained to taste it or the lack of it, so be it, I have been trained to enjoy dry aged steak and fresh cheeses etc. so what? At the end of the day, I’ll take the transfats if I choose to; I don’t need the government depriving me of the taste if I like it.


good for Canada....have you any idea how much states have invested in keeping the tobacco settlement train rolling? Its unreal. There fore, the ban won’t come until its window dressing.

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alright, you are totally out of control now....

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