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Old 05-11-2009
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At what point do Tax payers say stop

Gov. Deval Patrick’s free wheels for welfare recipients program is revving up despite the stalled economy, as the keys to donated cars loaded with state-funded insurance, repairs and even AAA membership are handed out to get them to work. But if they "loose" the job, don't worry just keep the car and the perks. And I guess they will need a gas card too.

I thought the government was pushing mass transit, to save the world.


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Old 05-11-2009
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

Actually I think this prgm. has merit, BUT they should, if they lose or leave the job they got the car to go to, give the car back.

As far as the larger question- if above 33% of my paycheck goes to taxes, that’s gone to far , in fact for anyone, at all levels, NOR do I believe that anyone should NOT pay some taxs, no matter how small.
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Old 05-11-2009
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

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Gov. Deval Patrick’s free wheels for welfare recipients program is revving up despite the stalled economy, as the keys to donated cars loaded with state-funded insurance, repairs and even AAA membership are handed out to get them to work. But if they "loose" the job, don't worry just keep the car and the perks. And I guess they will need a gas card too.

I thought the government was pushing mass transit, to save the world.


Free cars for poor fuel road rage - BostonHerald.com
Obviously, in much of the country mass transit is of no value for residents, they need cars if they are to work. As far as keeping the car, if they have no job they can't afford the gas anyway, right?

When are some people going to wake up to the fact that we have to spend our way out of the recession?
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Old 05-11-2009
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

When do they get 40 acres?
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

According to the link 20% of the people in the program went back on welfare, which means that 80% are working and either off welfare or get reduced benefits and the program has paid for itself out of these savings.
Anyway, its a small program, and whether it works or not, it provides data on whether this idea works.
If giving people a car actually gets 80% of the people off welfare, that's a pretty good program.
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

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Obviously, in much of the country mass transit is of no value for residents, they need cars if they are to work. As far as keeping the car, if they have no job they can't afford the gas anyway, right?

When are some people going to wake up to the fact that we have to spend our way out of the recession?
No they really don't have to have a job to buy gas. They don't need jobs to get a lot of things. Tats, 9 inch nails, cell phones, cannabis, cocaine, methamphetamine, XTC.....I could go on.

Having disposable income is always there in a underground economy and most people just haven't been in a place to see it. But it IS there.
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

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According to the link 20% of the people in the program went back on welfare, which means that 80% are working and either off welfare or get reduced benefits and the program has paid for itself out of these savings.
Anyway, its a small program, and whether it works or not, it provides data on whether this idea works.
If giving people a car actually gets 80% of the people off welfare, that's a pretty good program.
What is the motivation for ANYONE to work?

This is just another handout that will become an expectation just like publich housing.
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What is the motivation for ANYONE to work?

This is just another handout that will become an expectation just like publich housing.
Is that why you don't work?
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

I was screaming 'enough' in the 60's
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

That was the teaparty.
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Old 05-19-2009
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

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What is the motivation for ANYONE to work?

This is just another handout that will become an expectation just like publich housing.
Have you actually been in public housing? It's not exactly a 3-story mansion with an an indoor pool and free maid service. Maybe free cars are taking it too far, but if it's getting 80% of the people in the program off welfare, then it must be a good idea. I also agree with the other guy in saying that if that person loses the job, they should be required to give back the car, unless there are extenuating circumstances (such as a downsizing) that got that person fired.
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Old 05-20-2009
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

Judging by what happened yesterday in California I would say that many taxpayers are already saying stop.
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Old 05-20-2009
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

My car is getting kind of old may have to buy a new one soon or I could just quit my job and let Uncle Sam buy me one, sounds like a win win to me. Seriously this sounds like a good idea that is doomed to fail. What most people do not understand these entitlement programs sound good on paper but do not pay off in the real world. I am from a poor community and what is suppose to be a helping hand up will be used to scam the man by most of the people who sign up. I wish they would keep a record of how many of these cars will be used to commit crimes. I am sure that will be swept under the rug. I agree people need help not hand outs. As a single woman I have always had to buy my own car so I could work they have always been old used cars which I paid for with my own money which I went out and got a job to pay for.
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Old 05-20-2009
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

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If giving people a car actually gets 80% of the people off welfare, that's a pretty good program.
But there's still a failure rate of 20%.

That's huge...
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Re: At what point do Tax payers say stop

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Have you actually been in public housing? It's not exactly a 3-story mansion with an an indoor pool and free maid service.
Well not really true, in my town the housing authority recently bought a couple of luxury apartment complexes with pools and gyms and told all the current residents they had to move, the complex was being turned into public housing.
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