Thread: California decides to help itself to an interest free loan via its citizens

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

So what you're saying is that Republicans are cowards who can't be bothered to even try and resist. Thanks. I always knew it but it's good to see my p.o.v. reaffirmed by righties.

take a breath Ajax...To describe the workings of the Cali state gov. as ‘republican’ is, insane. We can delay and force them to deal with us and blunt some of the hasher issues, but in the end, knowing there are always defectors, we make the best deal possible…now, thats not to say that the rep. party here is in disarray and that the legs and state sen.’s are not craven politics either, they are….I think under the circumstances the rep.s in the state leg have done the best they can, they have not allowed the dems to ram though huge tax increases etc. on income , yes they did allow a gas ta increase and dmv ( don’t I know) reg…but that’s better, because in the end it’s a case of fees that can be rolled back easier than a major tax increase.

Originally Posted by turnitup5000db

How does this reconcile with the popular image of the Democrats being the only ones smart enough to get it right?

Dems are smart enough to realize that Republicans are to cowardly and lazy to lift a finger to stop them. Know thy enemy and all that. The Republicans are only worthy of my contempt. I can't hate the California Dems for knowing that the Republican party is full of hypocrites, cowards, and country bumpkins and a caitiff governor willing to give them everything they want. That's damn smart of the Dems.

Originally Posted by turnitup5000db

So your P.O.V. is that its the job of the Republican party to make sure the Democrat party doesn't do stupid shit? Republicans are to Democrats as psychiatrists are to lunatics? Interesting. I never thought I'd see you agree with Swoop.

How does this reconcile with the popular image of the Democrats being the only ones smart enough to get it right?

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Dems are smart enough to realize that Republicans are to cowardly and lazy to lift a finger to stop them. Know thy enemy and all that. The Republicans are only worthy of my contempt. I can't hate the California Dems for knowing that the Republican party is full of hypocrites, cowards, and country bumpkins and a caitiff governor willing to give them everything they want.

Feeding the main thrust of my argument here...

And interestingly enough, "Country Bumpkins" (of whom I am one) tend to score higher on standardized tests than their more urbane counterparts. My cousin graduated high school with a GPA of 4.2, in a graduating class of 8, and she wasn't the valedictorian. The school had 1 teacher for each grade level. So... yeah. The "Republicans are stupid because a lot of them are from the middle of nowhere." line doesn't work on me, I know better.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

country bumpkins

I'll send my son to a "country bumpkin" of a school where he actually LEARNS stuff over your failing inner city schools ANY DAY!

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Dems are smart enough to realize that Republicans are to cowardly and lazy to lift a finger to stop them.

But I thought that Dems LOVED the lazy....

The republicans we have in office today are lazy and a bunch of pussies. Its time republicans tell it how it is rather then talk shit liberals are too stupid to comprehend.

Republicans, "the party of NO" have to be the party of NO because ALL liberals need to be treated like their fucking 5-yearolds.

Republicans need to realize their is no "common ground" and bipartisanship is impossible given their unrealistic demands [hence the party of no label].

Originally Posted by Swoop187

That's never going to happen.

The government has a lot invested in their war against drugs. They aren't going to just "legalize" drugs and end up looking like hypocrites.

Furthermore the government brings in epic amounts of revenue because of drugs.

Drugs are crime and crime pays off handsomely for the government. Crime is its own industry, they wont legalize dope, never going to happen.

This is one of those issues that prove the government isn't looking out for the peoples best interests. This country would be a lot safer if drugs were legalized because it would take the sales out of the hands of the gangbangers and criminals, but they aren't interested in that because the government makes more money off these criminals then they would via any sort of tax revenue from drugs.

From one perspective, our national and socialized drug war can be considered a form of stealing private property and destroying forms of wealth. We could be more moral and ethical to our supreme code law of the land. Our enumerated moral and ethic of the Fifth Amendment already exists. Public policy constitutes public use. Eminent domain laws laws should apply and should be considered a market based metric for public policy decisions.

heres an apropos article.....adios cali...if I could, but I am stuck here.


California and Texas are not perfect representatives of the alternative deals, but they come close. Overall, the Census Bureau’s latest data show that state and local government expenditures for all purposes in 2005-06 were 46.8% higher in California than in Texas: $10,070 per person compared with $6,858. Only three states and the District of Columbia saw higher per capita government outlays than California, while those expenditures in Texas were lower than in all but seven states. California ranked 10th in overall taxes levied by state and local governments, on a per capita basis, while Texas, one of only seven states with no individual income tax, was 38th.

One way to assess how Americans feel about the different tax and benefit packages the states offer is by examining internal U.S. migration patterns. Between April 1, 2000, and June 30, 2007, an average of 3,247 more people moved out of California than into it every week, according to the Census Bureau. Over the same period, Texas had a net weekly population increase of 1,544 as a result of people moving in from other states. During these years, more generally, 16 of the 17 states with the lowest tax levels had positive “net internal migration,” in the Census Bureau’s language, while 14 of the 17 states with the highest taxes had negative net internal migration.

These folks pulling up stakes and driving U-Haul trucks across state lines understand a reality the defenders of the high-benefit/high-tax model must confront: All things being equal, everyone would rather pay low taxes than high ones. The high-benefit/high-tax model can work only if things are demonstrably not equal — if the public goods purchased by the high taxes far surpass the quality, quantity and impact of those available to people who live in states with low taxes.

and the kicker below......I wish I could have said this myself, its exactly how I feel now. When I came to cali in 92, it was just really starting its death slide, but it was still different and I liked it....around 98-99 it became obvious, shit was going bad.....today? dude.....


Today’s public benefits fail that test, as urban scholar Joel Kotkin of NewGeography.com and Chapman University told the Los Angeles Times in March: “Twenty years ago, you could go to Texas, where they had very low taxes, and you would see the difference between there and California. Today, you go to Texas, the roads are no worse, the public schools are not great but are better than or equal to ours, and their universities are good. The bargain between California’s government and the middle class is constantly being renegotiated to the disadvantage of the middle class.”

The Golden State isn't worth it -- latimes.com

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Dems are smart enough to realize that Republicans are to cowardly and lazy to lift a finger to stop them. Know thy enemy and all that. The Republicans are only worthy of my contempt. I can't hate the California Dems for knowing that the Republican party is full of hypocrites, cowards, and country bumpkins and a caitiff governor willing to give them everything they want. That's damn smart of the Dems.

Republicans couldn't stop them if they wanted to, do you get that?

Do you know how the legislation process works?

The liberals are damn near a super majority in California which means the republicans have little to no say in anything. In order for the republicans to actually stop the liberals they would have to band together and vote against the liberals on every issue...Now these republicans want some of their "ideas" to be passed as well so they have to play ball with these liberals which means "trading votes" [which i'm opposed to]..

To even think the republicans can actually stop the liberals in California his humorous.

All it takes is 2/3rds and the nutty liberal shit is passed and not even Arnold has a say in it then.

You're right though, these California republicans really do need to stand up and tell the liberals to fuck off.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

Republicans couldn't stop them if they wanted to, do you get that?

You're right though, these California republicans really do need to stand up and tell the liberals to fuck off.

Like I said previously, Arnold could have vetoed the legislation if he wanted to. He didn't because Republicans as a whole are lazy cowards who can't even be bothered to lift a pen and write the words "NO". You can whine and rant about supermajorities all you want, but unless a veto actually gets overridden you partisans don't have a leg to stand on.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Like I said previously, Arnold could have vetoed the legislation if he wanted to. He didn't because Republicans as a whole are lazy cowards who can't even be bothered to lift a pen and write the words "NO". You can whine and rant about supermajorities all you want, but unless a veto actually gets overridden you partisans don't have a leg to stand on.

I'm going to say this again to see if I can get you to understand this time.

If the Democrats do something stupid and the Republicans don't stop them, it's the Republicans fault?

Keep in mind I'm a libertarian with no party affiliation, and I live in the middle of farm country in the midwest. California Republicans, California Democrats, and California itself could burn and I would care less. I think they're all authoritarian morons and deserve what they get. Slamming Republicans in this matter has no effect on me other than making me question whether you can be nonpartisan and wondering at your reasoning capacities.

A recreational drug category could restore some individual liberty while generating revenue for the State.

well I heard some 'news' on the way in actually it was a rep state congressman saying he thinks that Calis budget short fall next year will be 20 Billion and the state will issue IOUs wide scale, so the no interest loan that they are helping themselves too, oh and its approved for ALL of 2010 btw, you may not even get it back next year in a check you can cash…....