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Re: California decides to help itself to an interest free loan via its citizens

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Capitalism would still exist obviously as would the free market.

You just take those who are able bodied on welfare now or recieving some form of entitlements and put them to work. If they dont want to work then they get nothing.

They have a choice, work or get nothing.

It wouldn't really be socialism, nor Marxism.

My whole point is the government has to to get something of value for all this taxpayer money they're spending on entitlements. IF THEY DON'T then IT is and always will be a deficit.

Government employment ISN'T socialism nor communism. It only is when thats the ONLY option available.

When you have options you always have a choice, I'm against the government being the ONLY choice available.

You can have these people dig ditches. If they dig ditches that means the government DOESN'T have to issue a contract to have those ditches dug., hence the entitlements balance out on the accounting ledger.... The government actually gets something of value for the money they're spending.

Its a win-win for everyone.

Only problem is........ YEP the fucking unions. The unions would go ape shit over an idea like this.... Actually they have already.

My idea is nothing new..
Capitalism cannot solve for a natural unemployment rate. Socialism can. What you advocate is common practice in truer forms of command ecnomies.

We have a Ninth Amendment, the federal at-will employment doctrine, and state at-will employment laws to consider.
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Re: California decides to help itself to an interest free loan via its citizens

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The right is just as bad. The left spend more, but the right cut taxes while spending, leading to similar deficits.

It appears to work well when Dems hold the executive branch and republicans hold the legislature, because presumably the republicans don't want to spend any money on the executive's liberal policies.
The only reason there is even a deficit is because we spent money and received nothing of value in return.

Why do you think the USSR folded?

They went broke because they spend too much on Afghanistan and got absolutely nothing of value in return to justify the spending.

Do you realize if republicans cut taxes AND and put the lazy fucks to work the economy would improve dramatically?????

Its the liberals who are against the lazy fucks working and its the libreals that are against discontinuing entitlements.. The liberals are they pylons in the road.

The left wont move a fucking inch when it comes to taking away their loyal voters entitlements.

WHY?

They know the only reason why people vote for them is because they hand out free shit. They stop handing out free shit and hold people accountable for the situations people created for them selves that would be the end of the liberal party.

The liberal party has absolutely NO real "foundation" they just counter and question everything republicans do.

The problem is the socialist and communist whack jobs hijacked the Democratic party and its all been down hill since then.. These moonbats think everything should be free and everyone is entitled to what the other guy has.... Sorry that's bad practice. Welfare states DO NOT create wealth and creating wealth or having something to show for your work is necessary for a healthy economy because it creates balance.
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Re: California decides to help itself to an interest free loan via its citizens

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Do you realize if republicans cut taxes AND and put the lazy fucks to work the economy would improve dramatically?????
Do you realize if the democrats did the same thing, the same result would follow?

The main problem I have with any of your points is you're trying to frame the republicans as the saviors and the dems as communists, when an examination of reality shows that the republicans spend just as much, are just as irresponsible with power, and don't actually do the things you think they should do.

So I'm really confused why you support the republicans when they haven't done squat.

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Do you realize if the democrats did the same thing, the same result would follow?

The main problem I have with any of your points is you're trying to frame the republicans as the saviors and the dems as communists, when an examination of reality shows that the republicans spend just as much, are just as irresponsible with power, and don't actually do the things you think they should do.

So I'm really confused why you support the republicans when they haven't done squat.

"Tommy hits me in the face 3 times a day, and Bob only hits me in the face on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays. Therefore Bob is a great friend of mine."
If liberals cut entitlements and cut taxes I would vote liberal.

What I'm saying is REPUBLICANS have tried numerous times to CUT SPENDING on entitlements but have been met with resistance from the liberals.

My point is the liberal party serves NO other purpose then to counter act against the republican party...

Thats it, thats all.

If the liberal party gave into cutting back on entitlement spending and tax cuts the party would fold......

The party only exists to take care of the lazy.

With out lazy fucks where would the liberals be???????

Who the fuck would they be pandering to for votes???

They have no real ideology or platform really.

If everyone had a job and worked and supported them selves then the liberal party would be absolutely useless because everything they represent wouldn't exist.

I mean the liberal party has become more of a special interest UNION of sorts rather then a political party that actually leads a country. There fucking activists for the lazy.
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If liberals cut entitlements and cut taxes I would vote liberal.
They wouldn't be liberals if they did those things!

My grandfather used to say liberal was someone who would spend any amount, on anything, except for national defense; a moderate would spend on defense in addition to everything else.
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They wouldn't be liberals if they did those things!

My grandfather used to say liberal was someone who would spend any amount, on anything, except for national defense; a moderate would spend on defense in addition to everything else.
The thing I dont get and never will is the fact that these liberals know were really broke YET they sit around all day and dream up ways to spend more money..

Its absolutely nuts.

No money should be spent now...

We need to create wealth first and the only way to do that is to use capitalism. Cut taxes, let people spend the money they saved on a bunch of shit, let the workers who manufacture this shit create the wealth.

Liberals hate capitalism and create roadblocks and purposely sabotage every attempt to stimulate the free market.

Its a literal fact these new age liberals are ANTI-CAPITALISTS. Their actions speak volumes.

I don't know how anyone who embraces capitalism and believes its the proper economic idea can support new age liberalism....

Its crazy, absolutely nuts!
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Not to mention NONE of this shit has anything to do with partisan politics.

The liberals are just doing it all wrong and the republicans have the right idea.

There is absolutely no debate about this.

Liberals are totally wrong when it comes to spending for the simple fact they have absolutely NOTHING to show for their spending.

If liberals feel any better, War spending is the same thing. Republicans have nothing to show for all the money they spend on the war.

But at least the war was a bipartisan effort.

The golden rule is, if you spend 100 bucks you better get something that is worth 100 bucks, if not you might as well have flushed 100 bucks down the toilet.
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I would agree with you if republicans were to legalize a recreational drug category so we can end the drug war. Ending the crime, poverty, and terror wars would also help their credibility.

It is only charge and spend republicans that complain about tax and spend democrats.
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I would agree with you if republicans were to legalize a recreational drug category so we can end the drug war. Ending the crime, poverty, and terror wars would also help their credibility.

It is only charge and spend republicans that complain about tax and spend democrats.
Republicans are a bunch of prudes, that doesn't change the fact that they are in fact right about how to handle the nations finances and grow the market.

Sorry I would rather deal with a bunch of prudes then a bunch of out of control spenders who happen to be flushing the nations wealth right down the toilet.

The fact republicans are prudes is no reason to go against them though.

What the hell can a bunch of prudes actually do? Point their bibles at you and preach their "holier then tho" bullshit.

Republicans are ZERO threat to this nations well being, if they were I would be against them.
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We were running massive surpluses until the republicans said they could fix our problem.
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We were running massive surpluses until the republicans said they could fix our problem.
Surpluses on what?

You mean equity?
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The federal budget under a democrat administration. Why do you think we got a rebate from the succeeding republican administration?
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The federal budget under a democrat administration. Why do you think we got a rebate from the succeeding republican administration?


Do you know what Clinton actually did in order to achieve that?

Clinton Democrats are to blame for the credit crunch | The Spectator

Bill Clinton basically got rid of the federal welfare program, then he demanded that creditors give credit to all those formerly on the welfare program, which in turn pretty much got us into the situation were in today.

In short Clinton basically said "Lets let the banks pay for the welfare crowed"

Of course the welfare assholes charged up a storm because they thought it was "free money."

He cut the federal welfare program and this economy is the price we have to pay for it.

Its even worse because the liberals just recreated new entitlements for the welfare crowed. So not only were they charging up a storm but were back on the entitlements. The liberals snuck the entitlements in to bills here and their. They were pretty much "perks" to sway liberal votes their way. Yea so you could blame Republicans for allowing it.

It wasn't only the welfare recipients who took advantage of this "entitlement lending", it was pretty much anyone who wanted something for little to nothing.

Why do you think the economy was great under Clinton? Because people were charging up a storm due to their lax banking standards forced on them by Bill Clinton. Not only did these people charge up a storm they bought homes as well...

Why do you think interest rates sky rocketed under Bush? because banks had to recover the money lost to these folks who basically got away with stealing via credit. Of course loyal liberals will commonly say "Bush was working with the banks to fuck people over" yeah right. The bailouts are proof that's just a common fib.
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I am not sure what you are referring. We had the lowest unemployment in thirty years under that administration.

The dot com boom happened, in part, because the public sector was competing with the private sector; in much the same way a federal research hospital in every state would compete with the private sector. It would also enable a corresponding advancement in those technologies.
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I am not sure what you are referring. We had the lowest unemployment in thirty years under that administration.

The dot com boom happened, in part, because the public sector was competing with the private sector; in much the same way a federal research hospital in every state would compete with the private sector. It would also enable a corresponding advancement in those technologies.
You don't get it.

Bill Clinton GOT RID of the federal welfare program [hence saving billions on his budget] and forced lenders to lower their credit standards. The welfare crowed just got credit cards and maxed them out, paid the bare minimum etc.

Bill Clinton pretty much is responsible for no questions asked loans, or "entitlement credit", I call it government endorced stealing....People who normally wouldn't get a line of credit, would now get credit under the force of Bill Clintion.

Of course it wasnt only those who were on welfare, it was anyone who wanted something for next to nothing.

pretty much the whole decade of the 90's is on plastic, charged, completely fronted, owned by the banks.

Of course the economy was booming and employment was up because people were charging everything.

Now, 10 years later, guess what? People COULDN'T PAY for what the bank bought them... Hence the state of our economy.

The thing that really pisses me off is the republicans just let the liberals give the entitlements back to the lazy who were previously on welfare.

So now not only did these fucks charge up a storm and paid for nothing, they got their entitlements back to boot.

Of course this was done at the state level.

The control the lazy have on society is absolutely astounding.
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