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timj219 · #31 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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And did this A.N. chapter hold significant political power, or have anything other than a bunch of dumbasses who shouldn't be breeding? I mean, there's also a Panther chapter in Philly, isn't there? Racism isn't going to go away completely no matter what we do. I just hate that a lot of people who argue that racism is alive and well and we need to do something to stop it act like it isn't a big deal when minorities do it. Aren't we all supposed to be held to the same standard?

I have already explained why racism practiced by the wealthy and powerful majority is bigger and more important news than when practiced by a relativley poor and powerles minority.

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Racism on the part of the majority (~75%) is big news. Racism on the part of a minority (< 14%) that is substantially poorer and therefore less able to implement racist policy in any significant way is still news. But it's only important news for academics (not a big moonie paper audience lets face it) or for people who are trying to exploit the anger of the "oppressed" portion of the majority.

timj219 · #32 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

I should point out for the benefit of the barely literate that my avatar is not a picture of me. It's a musician named Thelonius Monk. I'm white. And even though I have a quote from Louis Brandeis in my signature, I'm not jewish either.

Swoop187 · #33 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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I have already explained why racism practiced by the wealthy and powerful majority is bigger and more important news than when practiced by a relativley poor and powerles minority.

Do you realize this racism conspiracy wouldn't even hold up in kangaroo court yet people like you accept it as FACT?

This racism shit is a LIE.

You have ZERO evidence of the practice of racism on a large scale. You have ZERO evidence of racism in even corporate America.

If anything, blacks are OVER REPRESENTED in professional America.

The exact opposite of what you claim is going on is actually going on. Minorities in general are favored over whites, its called affirmative action.

Ernie S. · #34 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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D......This racism shit is a LIE. ......

The exact opposite of what you claim is going on is actually going on. Minorities in general are favored over whites, its called affirmative action.

For the most part, racism is dead and gone. The vast majority of whites no longer believe blacks to be inferior. What looks like racism these days is resentment that blacks don't have to score as high as whites to get into schools and jobs. That in many cases, less qualified blacks are promoted over white candidates in order to satisfy some quota system. Whites get pissed off when black "leaders" come to town and start riots and protests when some black kid gets beat up, but say nothing about the black kids shooting each other on a daily basis.
Call my resentment racism, if you must. I know the truth.

Racism, in very small amounts will be with us forever. Some folks are just idiots, but in order for the resentment to end, blacks need to stop listening to Sharpton, Jackson and the likes of Jerimiah Wright, and start listening to black leaders who speak for personal responsibility like Bill Cosby, Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell.

Swoop187 · #35 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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For the most part, racism is dead and gone. The vast majority of whites no longer believe blacks to be inferior. What looks like racism these days is resentment that blacks don't have to score as high as whites to get into schools and jobs. That in many cases, less qualified blacks are promoted over white candidates in order to satisfy some quota system. Whites get pissed off when black "leaders" come to town and start riots and protests when some black kid gets beat up, but say nothing about the black kids shooting each other on a daily basis.
Call my resentment racism, if you must. I know the truth.

Racism, in very small amounts will be with us forever. Some folks are just idiots, but in order for the resentment to end, blacks need to stop listening to Sharpton, Jackson and the likes of Jerimiah Wright, and start listening to black leaders who speak for personal responsibility like Bill Cosby, Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell.

Bingo!

The resentment is absolutely justified, especially by a guy like me. I'm 29, I wasn't alive during the civil rights movement obviously and had nothing to do with what on in Alabama in the 50 and 60s and shit.

The truth is people like me are being fucked over in life all because of something that happened before we were born.

Who benefits from this? the black kid who wasn't alive when blacks actually were oppressed. The black kid gets a free ride because liberals feel guilty.

Lets also not forget this is just another case where LIBERALS are the real racists. Lowering standards for blacks, NOW thats true RACISM by definition.

Affirmative action basically says "the white man is superior to the black man hence were going to lower standards for the black man to level off the playing field" lets also not forget affirmative action then discriminates against white people by holding positions for MINORITIES only.

I don't understand how society can support any of that nonsense.

You would figure liberals who insist racism is an epidemic would be against affirmative action? HELL NO, they invented it.

Ernie S. · #36 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

My God! A man under 30 with a brain!

JoMe · #37 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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You kinda got it.

Underlying Concepts of the Black Manifesto

SOME in the black community have gone out of their way to create an anti-white counter culture that happens to embrace the exact opposite ideas that "whites" do out of hate and spite.

Its all in the black manifesto posted in the above link.

Well the funny thing is that there are allot of blacks that are absolutely convinced that conservatives and repubs are the racist ones and in NO way possible can a dem be racist.

They forget or never learned that:
- it was a Republican that freed the slaves
- the majority of Republicans supported civil rights legislation, not dems
- many KKK members were dems, at least at first
- Democrats perpetuated and advocated welfare and other such programs to keep blacks and other minorities sucking off the government tit

You got to hand it to the dems for doing such an outstanding propaganda job to make conservatives and repubs look like the evil racists.

timj219 · #38 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Well the funny thing is that there are allot of blacks that are absolutely convinced that conservatives and repubs are the racist ones and in NO way possible can a dem be racist.

They forget or never learned that:
- it was a Republican that freed the slaves
- the majority of Republicans supported civil rights legislation, not dems
- many KKK members were dems, at least at first
- Democrats perpetuated and advocated welfare and other such programs to keep blacks and other minorities sucking off the government tit

You got to hand it to the dems for doing such an outstanding propaganda job to make conservatives and repubs look like the evil racists.

That's funny I've never met a single black person who believed anything like that. I'm always reading at this site about how dems believe this or that nonsense and liberals do this or that idiotic thing and I always wonder where these demns and libs live. Because I almost never meet anyone who bellieves the ridiculous things I see claimed on here every day.
And if the dems and libs and blacks are so stupid that they actually believe all this nonsense then how could the republicans, who must by definition be smarter, ever lose an election to them?

turnitup5000db · #39 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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I have already explained why racism practiced by the wealthy and powerful majority is bigger and more important news than when practiced by a relativley poor and powerles minority.

So the lack of effect constitutes a moral defense? We should be less outraged when someone attacks someone in power without reason than when someone in power attacks someone not in power for no reason? Kind of morally relativistic, isn't that? If we don't treat such infractions equally, what do we do when the power structure inevitably shifts? Those new to power will not discard the advantages given them when they were not in power, nor will they discard the opinions they formed while not in power. On the contrary, climbing to power will likely cause them to cling all the more tightly to those opinions.

I quoted the panthers in my example. The panthers exercise control by the same means as the klan or the A.N., and I doubt I will find anyone on this forum who will argue otherwise. All three groups are more powerful than the individuals they target, so my question stands.

This was a memo from two professors. Professors are by definition in a position of power and guidance to their students. I would question why we would want to risk racist philosophy filtering down from our educators, regardless of skin color.

And I was aware that your avatar is Thelonious Monk. There were pictures of him in my high school history textbook.

Tautog · #40 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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I have already explained why racism practiced by the wealthy and powerful majority is bigger and more important news than when practiced by a relativley poor and powerles minority.

Actually, in this case black people are the majority, and white people are the minority:

In 2000, Atlanta was 33 percent white and 61 percent black. In 2007, the numbers were 38 percent white and 57 percent black, according to the U.S. Census.

jschmidt · #41 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

36 years ago it was reversed. But I never believe anything I read in the Washington Times. If the reporting is accurate, it is unseemly. But this whole imagine-if scenario (that white guys seem to love to use to invent controversy) mostly doesn't hold water.

timj219 · #42 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Actually, in this case black people are the majority, and white people are the minority:

In 2000, Atlanta was 33 percent white and 61 percent black. In 2007, the numbers were 38 percent white and 57 percent black, according to the U.S. Census.

That's true and I hadn't considerd the demographics of atlanta when I first read the OP. Obviously in most places in this country that is not true. I think the census also said the median income for whites is ~4x that of blacks. So even with an advantage in numbers their lack of funds and the availability of the whole rest of the country for whites to be the majority makes the impact of black racism negligible compared to white racism.

timj219 · #43 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by turnitup5000db

So the lack of effect constitutes a moral defense? We should be less outraged when someone attacks someone in power without reason than when someone in power attacks someone not in power for no reason? Kind of morally relativistic, isn't that? If we don't treat such infractions equally, what do we do when the power structure inevitably shifts? Those new to power will not discard the advantages given them when they were not in power, nor will they discard the opinions they formed while not in power. On the contrary, climbing to power will likely cause them to cling all the more tightly to those opinions.

I quoted the panthers in my example. The panthers exercise control by the same means as the klan or the A.N., and I doubt I will find anyone on this forum who will argue otherwise. All three groups are more powerful than the individuals they target, so my question stands.

This was a memo from two professors. Professors are by definition in a position of power and guidance to their students. I would question why we would want to risk racist philosophy filtering down from our educators, regardless of skin color.

And I was aware that your avatar is Thelonious Monk. There were pictures of him in my high school history textbook.

If you could find someplace where I said that less impact is a moral defense then you would have a point. As it is you really haven't contradicted anything I've said here.

turnitup5000db · #44 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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If you could find someplace where I said that less impact is a moral defense then you would have a point. As it is you really haven't contradicted anything I've said here.

Might just be me, but I got the definite impression from your words...

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I have already explained why racism practiced by the wealthy and powerful majority is bigger and more important news than when practiced by a relativley poor and powerles minority.

...that you considered such racism defensible due to lessened impact, that somehow it was less wrong and we shouldn't pay attention to it because there is more important racism. If I've misinterpreted you, please, let me know. I'd be willing to bet I have, it definitely wouldn't be the first time.

Tautog · #45 (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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That's true and I hadn't considerd the demographics of atlanta when I first read the OP. Obviously in most places in this country that is not true. I think the census also said the median income for whites is ~4x that of blacks. So even with an advantage in numbers their lack of funds and the availability of the whole rest of the country for whites to be the majority makes the impact of black racism negligible compared to white racism.

To me racism is racism, and it doesn't matter what is going on in the rest of the country, or the rest of the world for that matter because the effects of it are felt at an individual level - I tend to doubt that the fact the majority of the US is white will be much consolation for Mrs. Norwood if she losses this race simply due to the color of her skin.

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