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Re: Imagine If This Were Reversed

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Might just be me, but I got the definite impression from your words...



...that you considered such racism defensible due to lessened impact, that somehow it was less wrong and we shouldn't pay attention to it because there is more important racism. If I've misinterpreted you, please, let me know. I'd be willing to bet I have, it definitely wouldn't be the first time.
Not morally defensible, just less important except to those who study such things for a living and to those who make hay from the outrage of the "oppressed" majority. I noted that the news came from the moonie paper and pointed out that the racism by itself was not important enough to merit mention there except as a method of furthering the owner's political agenda. When someone else poited out that "if this were reversed" it would have had wider coverage and I agreed. Becasue if it were reversed it would be more impactful and more important news.
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M'kay, you just meant from a newsworthiness perspective. Gotcha.
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To me racism is racism, and it doesn't matter what is going on in the rest of the country, or the rest of the world for that matter because the effects of it are felt at an individual level - I tend to doubt that the fact the majority of the US is white will be much consolation for Mrs. Norwood if she losses this race simply due to the color of her skin.
You are right. But I never said otherwise. For the affected individual racism is racism. But for the society there is a big difference between the harmful effects of racism by the wealthy and powerful majority and racism by the relatively poor and powerless minority.
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You are right. But I never said otherwise. For the affected individual racism is racism. But for the society there is a big difference between the harmful effects of racism by the wealthy and powerful majority and racism by the relatively poor and powerless minority.
Bull shit! The rarity these days of blatant racism by "the wealthy and powerful majority" is pretty much limited in real effect by the likelihood of negative press. If such bias does occur it's pretty much limited to hiring practices and other economic situations.
The racism practiced by "the relatively poor and powerless minority", tends to be more physical in nature or at least much more open with the knowledge that racist actions by the formerly oppressed is socially acceptable.
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Bull shit! The rarity these days of blatant racism by "the wealthy and powerful majority" is pretty much limited in real effect by the likelihood of negative press. If such bias does occur it's pretty much limited to hiring practices and other economic situations.
The racism practiced by "the relatively poor and powerless minority", tends to be more physical in nature or at least much more open with the knowledge that racist actions by the formerly oppressed is socially acceptable.
Oh absolutely. Minorities get physical with me all the time. But I don't mind because it's socially acceptable.
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Maybe socially acceptable was the wrong term, but it seems to me that minorities are excused for acting like what would bring Sharpton and Jackson rushing to town.
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That's funny I've never met a single black person who believed anything like that. I'm always reading at this site about how dems believe this or that nonsense and liberals do this or that idiotic thing and I always wonder where these demns and libs live. Because I almost never meet anyone who bellieves the ridiculous things I see claimed on here every day.
And if the dems and libs and blacks are so stupid that they actually believe all this nonsense then how could the republicans, who must by definition be smarter, ever lose an election to them?
Hey, I never said the conservatives and repubs are perfect. I'm not Knute because I am not totally blinded by political ideology that I can't admit a valid criticism of my side of the political fence. I'm simply saying that conservatives and repubs are not as racist and against minorities as the dems try to paint them as being. My claims might seem ridiculous but that doesn't make them untrue. I read things on this board from time to time that I haven't heard elsewhere but I'm not quick to dismiss it outright just because I haven't heard it in school or the MSM.

Oh, and by the way, I never called and was not implying blacks and dems are stupid.
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Imagine if...

- A white candidate for president told a disparaging story about a black woman, then said she was a "typical black person."

- A white president knew of a dispute about a white man and a black cop, admitted that he didn't have the facts, but said the black cop was acting "stupidly."

- A white presidential candidate attended a church where resentment of black people was a theme preached from the pulpit.

Barak Hussein Obama has received a pass on many things that an all white man would have been attacked for. He is the beneficiary of a color obsessed society. If we lived in a color blind world, BHO would be nobody.
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- A white presidential candidate attended a church where resentment of black people was a theme preached from the pulpit.
Imagine that Black people had lived in a country where they were systematically subjugated and oppressed for centuries, as well as abhorred socially, all at the hands of the White majority. And it only ended about 40 years ago. Overtly, that is.

Oh yeah, that did happen. Black power movements do not exist in a vacuum. They are a reaction to White nationalist movements and generations of overt White supremacy codified into law and accepted by society as "the norm". It would help to look at actions in their context.
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Lets look at reality. There is a racial double standard and this is fact.

Now, who agrees with the racial double standards?

Who's for them and who's against them?

Its time to see peoples true colors on this issue.
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Fuck the past.

All I see is a modern race of people benefiting from oppression they NEVER faced. They get PERKS because their ancestors were oppressed.

In other words blacks have more benifits then I do all because their ancestors were oppress.

Nice logic.

The ONLY way to view this is RETRIBUTION.

Liberals are making it harder on ME because of something that happened in the past..
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Imagine that Black people had lived in a country where they were systematically subjugated and oppressed for centuries, as well as abhorred socially, all at the hands of the White majority. And it only ended about 40 years ago. Overtly, that is.

Oh yeah, that did happen. Black power movements do not exist in a vacuum. They are a reaction to White nationalist movements and generations of overt White supremacy codified into law and accepted by society as "the norm". It would help to look at actions in their context.
It seems that people who never experienced any of those things are more bitter than the people who did. They are the biggest obstacle to a race neutral, color blind society that exists. Like children who keep picking their scabs, they refuse to let old wounds heal.
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Re: Imagine If This Were Reversed

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Imagine that Black people had lived in a country where they were systematically subjugated and oppressed for centuries, as well as abhorred socially, all at the hands of the White majority. And it only ended about 40 years ago. Overtly, that is.

Oh yeah, that did happen. Black power movements do not exist in a vacuum. They are a reaction to White nationalist movements and generations of overt White supremacy codified into law and accepted by society as "the norm". It would help to look at actions in their context.
Sounds like an excuse to divert responsibility for failure to me. Whitey isn't holding the Black man down. What does have a negative effect on upward mobility for Blacks is the "soft bigotry of low expectations" that flows from the state welfare and education establishments in this country.
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It's true. Double standards do exist, at times like this. Racial prejudice, especially when done out of bitterness over the past, is simply not justifiable no matter how you look at it. All it does is incite more hatred. That's the bottom line. If you want the races to be more acceptable of each other, then they all have to give and take a little. Fair is fair, and right is right.
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Hey, I never said the conservatives and repubs are perfect. I'm not Knute because I am not totally blinded by political ideology that I can't admit a valid criticism of my side of the political fence. I'm simply saying that conservatives and repubs are not as racist and against minorities as the dems try to paint them as being. My claims might seem ridiculous but that doesn't make them untrue. I read things on this board from time to time that I haven't heard elsewhere but I'm not quick to dismiss it outright just because I haven't heard it in school or the MSM.

Oh, and by the way, I never called and was not implying blacks and dems are stupid.
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Well the funny thing is that there are allot of blacks that are absolutely convinced that conservatives and repubs are the racist ones and in NO way possible can a dem be racist.

They forget or never learned that:
- it was a Republican that freed the slaves
- the majority of Republicans supported civil rights legislation, not dems
- many KKK members were dems, at least at first
Any group whick contains "alot" of people who believe such ridiculous nonsense or who "forget or never learned" the things you list has to be incredibly stupid. So yes you said exactly what you are now denying you said. On the other hand you display your own ignorance by apparently not knowing that a majority of both parties voted for the civil rights bill. Most of the people who voted against it were southerners from both parties. Of the non southerners who voted against, more were republicans than dems. One notable opponent not from the south was Barry Goldwater. Of course most of the southern democrats of those days became dixiecrats and are republicans today.
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