So you only like her when she's blonde?

(Mind you, she does look better when she's blonde...)

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Stop playing word games, you're wasting my time.

It discriminates upon them by denying them the right to marry the person of their choice.

On a serious note, how many folks feel like they are now gay, after looking at Donkey Left's profile for a while?

*Curios*

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I'm not, i just want you to see that its not "selective" discrimination.

Then it (marriage regulation) must surely discriminate upon everyone who doesn't get to marry whom they want to, no?

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Assume: There is no universal truth.

If that is true, then it is universally true that there is no universal truth.

If you can't see that this is a self-contradiction, then I can't help you.

The assumption "There is no universal truth" is false.
Therefore, there is universal truth.


If you are genuinely interested in understanding rights and being convinced, then you must either do the study yourself or find someone you trust implicitly who has done the study who is willing to "hand it to you on a silver platter."

Rational is essential here. In a democratic society reason replaces fiat. Due process demands it. When the constitution says no state may "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" the only exceptions are for rational purposes.
You do not receive veterans benefits becasue you did not make the sacrifices which earned veterans those benefits. The need for military force requires reward for those who provide that force. So rewarding them over those who have not served has a rational basis.
You receive a driver's license becasue you have demonstrated the requisite skill to get down the road without killing any of your fellow citizens. That ability is necessary for a working road system. so denying a license absent that demonstration has a rational basis.

There is no such rational basis for denying the benefits of homosexual marriage.

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I've had this debate before.

You can say "there are no universal truths" and then when someone asks "Is that a universal truth?" you respond with "I'm not sure".

That's kind of like banned vanilla ice cream and reassuring vanilla lovers that everyone is equal because everyone can eat chocolate ice cream but not vanilla, so there's no discrimination. The ban negatively impacts one set of people and has zero impact on the other because they have no interest in vanilla in the first place. That makes it unequal.

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Not everybody will EVER have the right to "marry who they want."

Get smart

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Wise up man

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Don't be ridiculous. Animals are not competent to give informed consent. There's nothing valid about that "argument".

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"I'm not sure" doesn't "cut it" in formal logic. It must be assigned a truth value.

Comparing a sexual issue to ones preferences for flavors of ice cream doesn't make you look real bright. C'mon guys, wise up.

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Unequal, yes. That i don't deny.

A question i have: All those who favor the government completely getting out of marriage, where is anyone ever gonna find a church that will marry gays and stay open long enough? (Presumably the Church would either get closed down by the vatican, or get blown up sooner rather than later).

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Agreed. The popular perception of Lesbians isn't women in a relationship, it's two straight women scissoring each other.

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