You've offered no rational explaination for why same sex marriage shouldn't be made legal. "Because that's the way it's always been" is not a rational argument.

I say if both parties of a same-sex couple are old enough, and given that they can't add any retarded babies to our society, then there is no rational reason to stop them from getting married.

You'll need to understand what the word 'strawman' means before attempting to use it.

its proven its worth, what more could you ask ?

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What has proven it's worth? Do you mean traditional, heterosexual marriage? What worth has it proven?

Gay marriage is a slippery slope....

That is fact, the left hates it because they have absolutely no defense to that fact so they call it a "fallacy" hence completely dismissing the fact.

Furthermore this issue fucking sucks...

I will say this though.

Marriage between a man and a woman is a STANDARD, its NOT discrimination and its NOT an entitlement.

Gays DON'T meet the standards set fourth by the government or the founding fathers for marriage, its that simple.

Using "discrimination" as means to get gay marriage passed into some form of federal legislation is going to FAIL every time because the constitution HAS NO EMOTIONS and neither does law....

The discrimination angle is absolutely 100% useless!!!

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I think you're overlooking the purpose of state regulated marriage. We want people to add retarded babies to our society.

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Gays don't meet which standards? If they are old enough to be married by law, they've met that standard. They can't make any retarded babies, so they've met that government standard as well.

lol, no we don't. If they're gonna add babies, we'd prefer them to be the non-retarded type. We occasionally get retarded babies anyway, despite our best efforts, but that's ok. We still try to take steps to avoid it.

The standard of marriage being between one man and one woman.

Like it or not, that IS the standard definition of marriage. It is not based upon sexual preferences, or even with whom you may be in love.

There is NO discrimination. A gay man may marry a woman just like a straight man can. A gay woman can marry a man, just like a straight woman can. What they cannot do is marry someone of the same sex - of course neither can a straight person.

The fact that a gay person may not wish to marry someone of the opposite sex is irrelevant.

The legal freedom to marry any one consenting, unmarried adult of the opposite sex applies to everyone - regardless of sexual proclivities.

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Reading the "no discrimination" canard for the umpteenth time regarding gay marriage just provided me with a new laugh as I realize it can even be used to justify black slavery.

There is NO discrimination. A {black man} may {own} a {black man} just like a {white} man can. A {black} woman can {own} a {black} man, just like a {white} woman can. What they cannot do is {own} someone {who is white} - of course neither can a {white} person.

The fact that a {black} person may not wish to {own} someone {who is black} is irrelevant.

The legal freedom to {own blacks} applies to everyone - regardless of {race}.

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Your rationale was already addressed in this thread, a couple of times. "A gay man is free to marry any woman" doesn't cut it. The only reasoning you're offering here against same-sex marriage is "because it's always been that way".

Can you offer something based on reason? Here, I'll help you... please fill in the blank: "Gay couples should not be allowed to marry each other because __________."

Can and has what? Married gays?

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A marriage license can be refused (to be issued) for any reason the state sees fit. Even if it is indeed unconstitutional, all you can do is apply for another license, the decision can never be "overturned". You can't sue the court because of it, you can't sue the city or have them criminally prosecuted, even though it may violate your rights.

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Thanks for the explanation.

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