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Jefe · #**106** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Steerpike

This isn't "psycho-babble."

This is getting into formal logic.

Why are you trying to bring formal logic in to a discussion about same sex marriage? Seems like a good way to get nowhere fast.

timj219 · #**107** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by daddio

a pretty good explanation as to why its not a right.

Is the fact that it may not be a "right" relevant somehow? Some citizens are allowed the privileges while others are not. There is no rational basis for the denial of the benefit to osme while others receive it.

Tautog · #**108** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by timj219

That's just a word game. Marrying a woman is a useless right for a gay man as would the ability to marry a man be useless to me. I haven't got the fashion sense to pull it off.
If marriage was only allowed between people of the same height then I could not have married my wife but my neighber could still have married his. The gender and height (or race) requirements are equally arbitrary and neither offers equal protection.

And the right to marry the same/opposite sex is a useless right to a guy who wants to marry a duck, is that any sort of reason to allow people to marry ducks in the name of "equal rights"?

wiggidy · #**109** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by timj219

Is the fact that it may not be a "right" relevant somehow? Some citizens are allowed the privileges while others are not. There is no rational basis for the denial of the benefit to osme while others receive it.

We all have the exact same rights. I can't marry a man just like a gay man can't marry one. A gay man is free to marry any woman he chooses as can I.

I'm not against gay marriage, but I'm against this feeling that somehow we have different rights.

wiggidy · #**110** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Tautog

And the right to marry the same/opposite sex is a useless right to a guy who wants to marry a duck, is that any sort of reason to allow people to marry ducks in the name of "equal rights"?

We already have equal rights.

Jefe · #**111** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by timj219

Is the fact that it may not be a "right" relevant somehow? Some citizens are allowed the privileges while others are not. There is no rational basis for the denial of the benefit to osme while others receive it.

Serisously... I've read that whole "they aren't being denied any rights" bullshit at least a dozen times around here. Fine, let's just say they're being denied the same privledges as heteros.

bg85 · #**112** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by daddio

Privilege, not a right.

So that brings us to 27 states demonstrably against I believe.

how many states do you think will be demonstrably against it in 10 years? how about 50 years? in what direction do you think the country (and the rest of the world for that matter) is headed?

bg85 · #**113** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Swoop187

Gay marriage is a slippery slope issue DESPITE what the liberals say. I know they like to call that a fallacy BUT in reality a fallacy is just an inconvenient truth not accepted in PC society.

not only are you a bigot and hateful but apparently you also don't understand the meaning of the word "fallacy."

Traveler · #**114** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Jefe

Serisously... I've read that whole "they aren't being denied any rights" bullshit at least a dozen times around here. Fine, let's just say they're being denied the same privledges as heteros.

You have the exact same right to marry that they do, and they have the exact same right that you do.

Tautog · #**115** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by wiggidy

We already have equal rights.

My point exactly

And like you I also support gay marriage, I just don't support stupid arguments like the "equal rights" thing used to justify my position on the issue.

timj219 · #**116** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Tautog

And the right to marry the same/opposite sex is a useless right to a guy who wants to marry a duck, is that any sort of reason to allow people to marry ducks in the name of "equal rights"?

If you don't want to discuss it seriously just say so.

daddio · #**117** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by timj219

Is the fact that it may not be a "right" relevant somehow?

to the extent that people should be able to differentiate, yes.

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Some citizens are allowed the privileges while others are not. There is no rational basis for the denial of the benefit to some while others receive it.

I am denied veteren's benefits because I do not qualify
I am allowed a driver's license as I do

rational is neither here nor there, societies around the world have established the qualifications and the one that always applies is opposite sex. for all the obvious benefits.

Jefe · #**118** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

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Originally Posted by Traveler

You have the exact same right to marry that they do, and they have the exact same right that you do.

Do they have the right to marry who they want?

wiggidy · #**119** (**permalink**) 2 Weeks Ago

On a side note

2 women getting it on is completely hot and 2 guys getting it on is probably the most disgusting thing I can picture in my head. Whatever floats your boat, but if you want to sway people on the subject, maybe we need some more Brokeback Mountain style movies or we need some hot Lesbians selling the issue rather than Rosie O'Donnell.