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Reply With QuoteThat is quite impossible to do. Although, I do remember having a dream about GOP officials being in trouble for allowing someone to vote 120 times by absentee.Originally Posted by adaher
How about some proof by adding a link?
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Secretary of Defense
Please cut the crap and actually attempt to read what I have been posting about the partisan bullshit.
I was pointing out that the majority of the opposition, on this forum, to the TSA pat downs had come from the right and was being used as an excuse to attack the left. If the pat downs did not go ahead, then the right would once an attack went ahead, use the lack of security as ‘proof’ that Obama hated America and loved terrorists.
Many threads which have nothing to do with left/right stuff are used as an excuse for the right to bash Obama. (and in all honesty the converse was true when Bush was the president)
That is the stuff that I am against; I was not attempting to bring a partisan slant into that or another thread, quite the opposite but some on the right have used that as a straw man argument to attack me instead of looking at the illogical stance of attacking the president for everything.
Actually you are just proving my point that people are incapable of separating any stance on any issue from left/right partisan positioning and actually concentrate on the issues.
I always find it strange that only reasonable people agree with me.
Secretary of Defense
That is quite impossible to do. Although, I do remember having a dream about GOP officials being in trouble for allowing someone to vote 120 times by absentee.
How about some proof by adding a link?
fiscal conservative, Constitutional Neo-liberal democrat
"I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat," Noted humorist Will Rogers
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Your dreams are just that: Dreams.
The numbers are a little different, but I think this is what he was referring to:
Voter Fraud
Voter Fraud
Last edited by Steve; 03-21-2011 at 09:12 AM.
President
What's interesting is that the national media isn't covering it except for Fox. So see, Fox does serve a purpose. There are some legitimate stories that only Fox will cover because the rest of the media doesn't want it.
Secretary of Defense
Although a very biased rightist source, at least it pointed out they were bought before a Grand Jury for 51 counts of voter registration fraud. Remember however, that a person is considered innocent, until proved guilty in a court of law. That hasn't happened yet, so is still wet dream of Adeher, in his quest to find anything.
fiscal conservative, Constitutional Neo-liberal democrat
"I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat," Noted humorist Will Rogers
http://politicalcorner.org/index.php
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm
Administrator
Dude....you just have to google the term "Michael LoPorto Troy" and you'll get all kinds of info on this deal. The internet is a wonderful thing, as a general rule if you don't like one source there's many, many more available. In this case there's pretty much none of those sources which are backing this mope.
Secretary of Defense
Two links to a couple of pretty biased sources.
Fox news and one that starts off with
[sarcasm] Yep these guys meet the definition of independent new sources don’t they? [/sarcasm]
Gird your loins for 2012, conservatives. A voter fraud case in upstate New York should serve as a reminder of what Democrats will try during an election year.
Try Googling GOP election fraud and you get a large number of fraud cases involving the GOP.
Where is the Faux News Outrage on these cases?
When you have “True Believers” that think that their shit don’t stink and anything that they do is OK because it is in the interests of a higher calling then you will get this happening.
Shows once again that people will take something that occurs in both parties, rationalize or ignore the wrongs of their party and vilify the other guy.
Voter fraud, while serious is not a significant issue in determining the outcome of any western democracy election. That is not to say that it should not be investigated and punished severely, just that it does not change the outcome of an election. ( OK there is room for argument on the 2000 presidential race since that was so close.)
Most western democracies simply do not have close enough elections to allow for any result to be changed by fraud.
Makes you wonder why anyone bothers doesn’t it.
I always find it strange that only reasonable people agree with me.
Secretary of Defense
Dude....you don't even have to type that much into google, how do you think I was able to correct the OP about his gross inflation of the count?
The internet is a wonderful thing, it allows me to find when the righties over-inflate things, quote only from far-right sources and make up all kinds of imagined wrongs.
Still, you seem to contend that an accusation is the same as being guilty. I will remind you of all the righties accusing ACORN of voter fraud, when it was ACORN that had already reported that some few paid workers had turned in invalid voter registration forms.
fiscal conservative, Constitutional Neo-liberal democrat
"I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat," Noted humorist Will Rogers
http://politicalcorner.org/index.php
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm
He said they "were in trouble".
If your ass is in front of a Grand Jury, you're "in trouble"...
Hey, feel free to post links to a couple of biased sources which says they weren't before a Grand Jury for voter fraud.
Yeah.
We'll wait...
Missed this the first time through...
We hear from whiney libs all the time about how Republicans are evil and corrupt and Satan incarnate, and how Democrats are as pure as the driven snow and will save us all.
Your eagerness to deflect from the true issue is transparent and stupid. You're essentially saying that, if the GOP does it, it's no big deal if Democrats do it.
And that only proves that, despite the whines from the left, Democrats are pieces of shit, too, despite the fact that they're supposedly (if you listen to whiney libs) so much better than Republicans...
How and when did you do that?
I was the one who posted to the actual numbers.
But, hey, you're nothing but a typical lib; all too willing to take credit for the actions of others...
Absolute dishonesty. No one here has even suggested any such thing...Still, you seem to contend that an accusation is the same as being guilty.
Which does not absolve them of failing to report all of them...I will remind you of all the righties accusing ACORN of voter fraud, when it was ACORN that had already reported that some few paid workers had turned in invalid voter registration forms.
Secretary of Defense
You have obviously not been actually reading what I have been posting.
My point is that both sides do a lot of this sort of shit and it is hypocritical for one side to point fingers at the other side while ignoring what their side is also doing.
I always find it strange that only reasonable people agree with me.
Administrator
"Gross inflation of the count"? The OP cited 120 violations and the article cited 116. What's so "gross" about rounding up?
County Council Member
Jeez.
Voter fraud I think is a truly despicable crime. This is despicable. As a liberal, stories like this take away any high ground that I feel I may have. For the conservatives on this board to try to act as if fraud is a one way street in politics is ridiculous. History is littered with examples of fraud by both parties. I ll take my lumps on this one as it is indefensible.
Though I wonder where they got the idea fromArizona Democratic Party alleges voter fraud
Though obviously the former is illegal, the latter while legal is just as morally reprehensible IMO
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