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Reply With Quoteyeah i think you missed the point of his post.Originally Posted by Mrs. M
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yes, it is sound policy i'd say, depending on how it's implemented. my point though was that certain posters seem to support it out of spite, rather than because they think it's sound policy.
kudos on the smarmy, yet misplaced :rolleyes: icon, though.
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yeah i think you missed the point of his post.
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Then why don't they just say "If you're found guilty of breaking the law while on welfare, you lose your welfare"? That'd also help weed out the folks using their welfare money on prostitution, illegal firearms, gambling, etc.
Nevermind that many of the highly addictive drugs (heroine, crack, cocaine) only remain in body for a few days at most, making drug tests pretty easy to sober up for. Add on top of that the fact that these aren't even random drug tests, so someone just has to stop smoke crack a few days before they sign up for welfare.
They don't even really lose their welfare, either. If they fail the test, they can designate someone else to collect their money for them.
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It's not sound policy. First of all, it is a clear violation of the 4th amendment of the US constitution, and furthermore, it takes taxpayer money that should go to help the poor and transfers it to drug testing corporations.
Nobody can support their $500 a week herion addiction with a welfare check.
I haven't read too closely but I'm pretty sure they're designating someone else to collect money for their children.
The 4th Amendment protects against unreasonable searches and seizures.
This is neither.
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I've taken about 15 drug tests over the years for jobs (initial hire & random), and they always include screening for alcohol. Says it right there on the paperwork, in the list of substances being screened.
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Yeah, that'd work. But wouldn't they have to drug test to determine that? And for the other stuff, intrude even further on the welfare recipient's personal life?
I didn't know that - i thought some of it stayed in your system for like 6 months. NotNevermind that many of the highly addictive drugs (heroine, crack, cocaine) only remain in body for a few days at most, making drug tests pretty easy to sober up for.
Yeah that's kind of absurd. It might just be simpler to have somebody else give the urine sample. There's probably a few things that would have be ironed out though like if some guy randonly handed in a container and the results showed he was pregnant or something along those lines, it could get a bit strange.Add on top of that the fact that these aren't even random drug tests, so someone just has to stop smoke crack a few days before they sign up for welfare.
They don't even really lose their welfare, either. If they fail the test, they can designate someone else to collect their money for them.
I agree with you - have a more uniformed system and don't discriminate solely upon drugs. In my case though i'm probably advocating it more from a "social engineering" aspect of morality/sin taxes and laws etc where as you seem to be going for consistancy.
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Starve or submit...nice American sentiments there.
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How can they know whether the money is being spent on the children, though? Obviously they don't even know if people are spending money on drugs or not, so where the money is going is certainly an issue. What's stopping someone from saying "Hey, Frank, I'm designating you as my recipient of welfare, just bring me the money and you'll get $50 every time".
Do they drug test the designated recipient? If not, then we're right back to where we started. If they do, then now the government is demanding drug tests from people who aren't even getting welfare themselves, which is absurd.
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Which is why crack is their drug of choice.
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That's probably not true but even if it was you're in an extreme minority.
It would be very lucrative for me if they did but private companies typically don't include an alcohol panel because it's expensive, generally legal, extremely unreliable, and far too many medicines, etc. include alcohol.
Those panels are basically limited in the private sector to accidents at work and it's because alcohol leaves your body so quickly that they require you to go for testing ASAP.
Or, ya know, get a job.
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Maybe it was the types of job you were applying for.
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Well, if that's the road they're trying to go down, then they should go down it. I wouldn't condone such a thing, but if they're really trying to curb welfare money being used on illegal activity, doing a drug test is pretty damn weak. So, that sorta makes me think that curbing money spent on illegal activity isn't what they're going after here or else they'd do exactly that.
Nope. Marijuana stays in the body far longer than the harder drugs, but that's only a month or two. I've personally passed a drug test with eight days notice.I didn't know that - i thought some of it stayed in your system for like 6 months. Not
I had to change into one of those hospital smocks when I did my drug test, which was to prevent me carrying anything on me.Yeah that's kind of absurd. It might just be simpler to have somebody else give the urine sample. There's probably a few things that would have be ironed out though like if some guy randonly handed in a container and the results showed he was pregnant or something along those lines, it could get a bit strange.
Well, I think the whole thing is stupid. I'd imagine the amount of welfare money being spent on drugs is probably a drop in the bucket so doing crap like this is more for show than anything else. Drug addicts will still get around it, and all the other illegal activity being supported by welfare money will continue on unchecked. Good job, Florida.I agree with you - have a more uniformed system and don't discriminate solely upon drugs. In my case though i'm probably advocating it more from a "social engineering" aspect of morality/sin taxes and laws etc where as you seem to be going for consistancy.
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