Thread: Drug testing for welfare in Florida

Agreed. This has been too long comin'...

I'll support this the moment we support drug testing for everyone else taking a government handout. In other words, I'll accept this (with some reservations on the implications of this of course) the moment we accept equal treatment for anyone needing government dollars. Until then, until everyone taking government dollars is treated equally, you guys are just supporting another step in the political game of class warfare.

Sounds like a violation of the 4th amendment to me.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure - CNN

I'm all for this and kudos to the state of Florida for having the cojones to do it. Now all states should follow suit.

I hope all states pass a similar law. He he he! there's going to be a lot of losers in Florida who won't be getting welfare.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

I'll support this the moment we support drug testing for everyone else taking a government handout. In other words, I'll accept this (with some reservations on the implications of this of course) the moment we accept equal treatment for anyone needing government dollars. Until then, until everyone taking government dollars is treated equally, you guys are just supporting another step in the political game of class warfare.

What do you mean by "everyone else taking a government handout"?

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Sounds like a violation of the 4th amendment to me.

These people are not being made to ask for assistance and the assistance itself is not a right so what's wrong with making sure that the taxpayer isn't funding their drug habits?

Originally Posted by Invisible-Bob

I hope all states pass a similar law. He he he! there's going to be a lot of losers in Florida who won't be getting welfare.

I wish Louisiana would do this because I know quite a few who would lose their monthly checks.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

I'll support this the moment we support drug testing for everyone else taking a government handout. In other words, I'll accept this (with some reservations on the implications of this of course) the moment we accept equal treatment for anyone needing government dollars. Until then, until everyone taking government dollars is treated equally, you guys are just supporting another step in the political game of class warfare.

Honestly, this is just stupidity.

There's a monumental difference between receiving money from the government for legitimate services, etc. and being dependent on the government. I have numerous contracts with various local, state, and federal governments to provide service and supplies to laboratories predominately in the NYC area. I'm providing a service and being paid to do so. What I do with that payment is none of any government's business, provided I'm not breaking any laws.

These people are generously being given money so they can purchase basic necessities and it's perfectly reasonably for our government to expect they actually use it for basic necessities and not illegal drugs.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure - CNN

I'm all for this and kudos to the state of Florida for having the cojones to do it. Now all states should follow suit.

So, Florida sucks. Collecting evidence on people with no warrant and forcing people to provide evidence against themselves isn't cool.
As some of the bills opponents state : It's downright unconstitutional.

Strip anyone convicted even of a misdemeanor they've been to court and found guilty. Needing assistance is not evidence of a crime.

More freedom lost to the state.

This stinks like hell of corruption as well:
"Controversy over the measure was heightened by Scott's past association with a company he co-founded that operates walk-in urgent care clinics in Florida and counts drug screening among the services it provides."

Originally Posted by Donahue

These people are generously being given money so they can purchase basic necessities and it's perfectly reasonably for our government to expect they actually use it for basic necessities and not illegal drugs.

Hey we get tax deductions, why doesn't the government test us all for that generous dispersal of funds.

You aren't supposed to be searched without there being evidence worthy of suspicion. Requesting aid is not probable evidence of a crime.

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

These people are not being made to ask for assistance and the assistance itself is not a right so what's wrong with making sure that the taxpayer isn't funding their drug habits?

Just because someone does not pass a drug test, that does NOT necessarily mean that the taxpayer is "funding their drug habit".

Have you ever been to a party where someone passed you a joint?

Or gave you a beer?

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

So, Florida sucks. Collecting evidence on people with no warrant and forcing people to provide evidence against themselves isn't cool.
As some of the bills opponents state : It's downright unconstitutional.

Strip anyone convicted even of a misdemeanor they've been to court and found guilty. Needing assistance is not evidence of a crime.

More freedom lost to the state.

This stinks like hell of corruption as well:
"Controversy over the measure was heightened by Scott's past association with a company he co-founded that operates walk-in urgent care clinics in Florida and counts drug screening among the services it provides."

When I apply for a job, I must submit to a drug test if I want the job. To refuse means I won't be hired. Why should our tax dollars be treated any differently?

Originally Posted by hairballxavier

Just because someone does not pass a drug test, that does NOT necessarily mean that the taxpayer is "funding their drug habit".

Have you ever been to a party where someone passed you a joint?

Or gave you a beer?

Alcohol isn't generally part of a drug screen.:rolleyes: As for illegal drugs, well, if you want public assistance, then refuse the joint. Damn, is it really that complicated????